Why are so many GC women pro-Israel?

Well because there definitely is an omnicause on the tra side. Genderists almost by definition lack (or sideline or suppress) critical analysis skills and believe and support things not because they make sense, but because they are the fashionable “in” things that they are told make them a good person.

Which is why they don’t bat an eyelid about the persecution of the Uighurs or Yazidis, the horrific situations in Sudan and Yemen etc. or even really care about women in Afghanistan. They leap on the fashionable cause that comes with a bandana to wear and don’t distinguish between Palestinian civilian victims, Hamas, or even the Iranian regime. Israel = bad so all Israel’s enemies must be good is as far as the thinking goes, at least for the hardest of thinking among them.

But I would have expected GC people to think each situation through on its own merits - I’m sure some do but I don’t like the feeling that is somehow does seem to “go with” being pro-Israel.

Despite being very economically left wing though, I don’t have any time for Corbyn, I think he’s a privileged confused idiot along the lines of the above, and “Jezbollah” is accurate IMO.

I don't get the same impression as you do. They have never felt connected here or anywhere else I read

I don't get the same impression as you do

I do feel there is a leaning to the right as well - as a lifelong lefty and feminist I’m sometimes surprised to find a GC woman I follow and agree with is not just right-leaning, but actively Conservative. Because I really do not agree with conservatism on almost any other issue.

But I think that’s partly the result of the left and genderism lumping together so that GC women on the left may be less likely to be public about it or may be more likely to have embraced it in a well-intentioned way initially and now find it harder to backtrack.

Seems like a deliberate attempt to say that feminists support whatever is happening in the middle east.

Let's reframe it, why on a trans rights march is the Palestine flag flown? Do any trans activists know how trans people are treated in Palestine? Why is the trans flag flown by pro-refugee activists outside migrant hotels?

Yes I feel the same - I sometimes feel like there is a bit of an “omnicause” on the GC side as well. Sometimes I strongly disagree with what the leading GC women I agree with on gender ideology are saying - for example with the Kate Clanchy book. (That doesn’t mean I support persecution or ostracism of people I disagree with or criticise, but I did think it was shockingly racist and patrician and was amazed that so many people couldn’t or wouldn’t see it - seemingly because you must support a woman against the workerati whatever the situation, and that was an eye-opener for me.)

On Israel, I think both Palestinian and Israeli leadership and military have behaved appallingly and I feel like the background is too complex for me to take a side (and there is a LOT of background involving other states and the geopolitics of around a century ago, which I think most people including me don’t know about or understand in full).

As you say OP, feminists should logically regard organised religion with suspicion, even those who have religious belief themselves. Both Islamic and Jewish cultures oppress women and some forms of Judaism are just as bad as the more visible misogyny of some Islamic cultures.

I don't get that impression at all. I have no idea what most GC people's views are on the Israel situation.

I can only speak for myself, but as a life long leftie, what happened on October 7th appalled me. I have always been broadly pro Palestine, without really keeping an eye on what was happening regarding Hamas. Hamas are not the friends of women or left wing people. And I do not think GC women have become more right wing, as has been said before about other topics, the Overton window has shifted massively.
What was once a left wing stance, pro Palestine, has become a pro Hamas stance. Hamas are anti women, anti gay, anti any lifestyle outside of a proscribed right wing Muslim ideal. I still stand as pro women, pro gay, pro live your life as you choose as long as you do not hurt or interfere with the rights of others. And i have watched that Overton window disappear from in front of me.
The fact that Israel is the only Arabic country where women, gays, other religions are welcome, I dont know. I am definitely not pro Netanyahu, I think he is a war monger, but the Palestinians voted for Hamas. And as I said, October 7 appalled me.
I guess I am just a women who wants peace, I want people to live together in peace, I want women to have rights, I dont want women to live in fear as they do in Afghanistan, and I fear that is the future for Palestinian women under Hamas. What if all the pro Palestine marchers get their way? What happens if Palestine becomes another Afghanistan for women? Will they be out marching for those women? I dont think they will give a toss. Just as they would rather march for Palestine but most cannot be bothered to turn up at vigils for Afghan women. Because that would make them pro women, and we all know these days that means bigot.
I dont want to see films of women and children being bombed out of existence, but more than this I do not want to see films of women and girls being raped, tortured and paraded, and then for people to tell me it is all AI and not real.
Sorry long post, just my personal musings. TLDR FF is a terf and cares about women, and is a hippy,

I'm GC and pro Israel because it seems to me the real genocidal intent is flowing towards the Jews and not the other way around. Because I was horrified by October 7th and what happened to Jewish women. Because I am no fan of Muslim fundamentalism and the way it treats women, or Muslim terrorism.

OP, two things I'd like to clarify.

1). Israel is not a "colonial state". Jews are indigenous to the Middle East, and particularly to Israel, and have been for thousands of years. 45% of Israel's population are what is called Mizrahi Jews, from the Middle East and North Africa. Again, they are not colonisers.

2). Israel is a Jewish state, but this is not about religion, this is about ethnicity and identity. Israel does not enforce religious practices on its citizenry. There are two million Israeli Muslim citizens, and 150,000 Druze and 180.000 Christian citizens. Around half of Israel's Jews are completely secular.

I'm GC and Zionist.

It's on you tube and is called 'The Ask Project'

If anyone is interested in a fairly middle of the road, nuanced Israeli viewpoint, Haviv Rettig Gur has an excellent podcast and YouTube channel called Ask Haviv Anything. He discusses the history of Israel and various aspects of the war, as well as problems such as the one mentioned above where Orthodox Jews don't serve in the army.

When I was on TwitterX at the height of the TWAW nonsense, I would express my GC views, and randoms would accuse me of being on the far right. Ridiculous. I am not far right, I'm left-wing, and like early posts have said, the forced teaming of certain beliefs having to go together is silly.

I'm also an atheist, and I like history. The only people I blame for the shit show in Israel and Gaza are our own British Government in 1917 (Balfour Declaration)!!

Yes, i don't think feminism has to align with just one ideology; as I see it 'Feminsim' is a way of viewing the world in which the interests and concerns of women and girls are centred.

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I don't suppose you have a link or more information that would help me google the series of films you mentioned please? I'd like to learn more.

Well @Krakinouyou lost me in your third statement. Logically atheist? Nope. Anti-religion? Not necessarily. There is a whole wide world out there of feminists with different views on all sorts of subjects, while still being GC. You sound very narrow in your thinking.

I think at a deeper level we are witnessing the transition from a zeitgeist that has been all about 'openness': no borders and no boundaries...to one which is about re-establishing boundaries and borders. The zeitgeist operates at every level from the personal to the national to the political.

I watched a really enlightening series of films last year( made by a Canadian) in which he went around Israel, the West Bank and Gaza interviewing Israelis and Palestinians. He asked them how they saw the future; how they saw the possibility of a two state solution etc.

Overwehelmingly, about 90% of the Palestinisans were very hard line in that they would not accept the legitimacy of Israel at all. They saw the whole of the land as theirs. Whereas most Israelis were open to finding a two state solution and trying to live side by side. It was quite depressing to witness, certainly if a two state solution is how you see the way forward.

Palestinian children are brought up on a hatred of Jews and of Israel. They are highly indoctrinated. Hamas and other extremist organisations ( with the aid of Qatari money) operate TV channels in which young children are brought up to wish for the destruction of Israel; and summer camps in which children are exposed to military hardware and guerilla warfare. ( and many of these schools and camps are run by the UN)

And as you suggest above, doctors, journalists and other professionals have also been shown to belong to certain Hamas cells and have taken part in 'operations'.

Because we’re all massive bastards.

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Fwiw I'm pro Israel and gc. Yes I've definitely noticed that many of the twaw brigade are also pro Palestine...i find a lot of people with this mindset don't look very deeply at the issues...what's trendy at the time and virtue signalling are the order of the day for them.

"The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house".

It's not as if they are squeamish about violence

Who's "they"?

I can remember when feminist analysis used to reject 'sides' in favour of alternative & co-operative methods of resolving conflict.

I haven’t seen this at all. Just a few online voices. And in real life, all my GC friends are broadly left wing and broadly pro Palestine.

That said, being GC is a broad church. There are many right wing and/or racist people who are GC too. I find it frustrating that people refuse to recognise that differing sides may have the same view on some things.