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SerendipityJane · 22/08/2025 13:40

misscockerspaniel · 22/08/2025 13:11

Even his own defence team is quoted (BBC) as saying it was "blindingly obvious" that he was not female.

So victim blaming then.

Falseknock · 22/08/2025 13:27

Did he have shit in his eyes? 🤣

moggly · 22/08/2025 13:16

The state of that brick, doesn't pass one bit. He must have purposely sought out the most gullible victim for his ruse to work. I hope he gets a hightened sentence which reflects that.

misscockerspaniel · 22/08/2025 13:11

Even his own defence team is quoted (BBC) as saying it was "blindingly obvious" that he was not female.

TheCatsTongue · 22/08/2025 13:10

How could anyone mistake him for being a woman? And how is he only 21?

murasaki · 22/08/2025 13:03

Those filters were doing a LOT of heavy lifting.

SerendipityJane · 22/08/2025 12:21

5128gap · 22/08/2025 12:17

This case involves one man deceiving another man into having sex with him. There are no women involved in this case at all. None. Yet somehow someone, on the feminist board no less, manages to find a way to make women share in the blame?

It really is a shade of racism, isn't it ?

5128gap · 22/08/2025 12:17

HidingBehindTheWallpaper · 21/08/2025 08:52

I do think a small part of the problem is that so many young women are so full of fillers and covered in makeup that it makes them all look the same. In my opinion it makes them look older too. It’s easy for a man to look like a woman when women don’t look like women.

This case involves one man deceiving another man into having sex with him. There are no women involved in this case at all. None. Yet somehow someone, on the feminist board no less, manages to find a way to make women share in the blame?

lechiffre55 · 22/08/2025 09:15

My tuppence worth would be the deception was legally malicious because it was not accidental. The man took steps to hide his sex.

The prosecutor then told the jury that Watkin later contacted her date to reveal 'a massive secret.' Messages sent between the two were read out to the jury.
When the alleged victim asked if the secret was that she was pregnant, Watkin replied: 'I'm trans. I'm sorry I didn't tell you.'
The man messaged: 'WTF. So you have a d?' before repeating his question.
Watkin added: 'That's why I haven't s* you.'

The bit's I've bolded are evidence that the man knew he wouldn't get what he wanted if he disclosed his sex. The sorry is an acknowledgement the victim would have to pay a cost but the man put his needs above the victim's welbeing and rights. I'm glad the exchange was via text, it is more substantial evidence than verbal.
This to me is a form of rape and should be treated as rape.

JamieCannister · 22/08/2025 08:21

FrippEnos · 21/08/2025 20:47

Stonewall grouped them under the umbrella of trans sometime ago, but I think that they have since removed them as it became troublesome.

I thought the person you were replying to was making the point that it is not immediately clear what makes a man who pretends to be a woman "trans" in a "gender" way and not a "vestite" way.

ArabellaScott · 22/08/2025 06:42

BunfightBetty · 22/08/2025 01:05

Is Alex Sharpe one of the new-fashioned special type of woman? Rather than the old-fashioned cunty kind? And therefore arguing from a place of supreme self-interest?

He's a man, yes. Can't comment on his reasons for writing the book.

BeLemonNow · 22/08/2025 01:14

Definitely smug. I mean, accusing a journalist of misgendering by referring to a "fox in a hen house" instead of a "vixen in a hen house". All vixens are foxes doh. Basic logic is lost on most TRAs...

BunfightBetty · 22/08/2025 01:05

ArabellaScott · 21/08/2025 21:58

Yes, Stonewall campaigned to have that bit of the law removed/changed.

Alex Sharpe wrote a whole book on the subject.

Sexual Intimacy and Gender Identity 'Fraud': Reframing the Legal & Ethical Debate (London: Routledge, 2018)

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/law/people/alex_sharpe/

Is Alex Sharpe one of the new-fashioned special type of woman? Rather than the old-fashioned cunty kind? And therefore arguing from a place of supreme self-interest?

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RogueFemale · 22/08/2025 01:00

pinkdelight · 21/08/2025 09:57

Agree. Especially lines like: 'The defendant had concealed from the man that she had a penis'. In a case about identity deception, it surely perpetuates that.

Totally agree. It's exactly the same deception.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/08/2025 23:11

There’s more than one woman IIRC.

LunaTheCat · 21/08/2025 23:05

There was a thread a few days ago about the trend for women to have big lips/false eyelashes/long nails…..implication is you are a woman if you look like this.

Ideas of what constitutes a woman have become so confused.
We are fighting against the meaning of womanhood/femininity against big financial interests .. the tech giants, massive fast fashion and people doing a 2 days course and offering Botox from their garage …it’s incredibly scary … society has been captured. We need a new wave feminism.

LibertyKnickers · 21/08/2025 22:48

SionnachRuadh · 21/08/2025 13:30

Alex Sharp was the legal person fronting that and IIRC wrote some pretty hair-raising stuff.

It's fortunate that so few actually can conceal their sex, but telling that they want the law disapplied to people with special identities.

This is Sharpe arguing that it's totes fine to let men like Karen White into a female prison because of all those lesbians who beat up their partners. Or something.

inherentlyhuman.wordpress.com/2018/09/11/foxes-in-the-henhouse-putting-the-trans-women-prison-debate-in-perspective/

DialSquare · 21/08/2025 22:33

itsachickeninnit · 21/08/2025 21:11

Christ alive, the filters on his social profile are doing some heavy lifting - in real life he’s got a five o clock shadow 🤦‍♀️

Yep. Unfortunately, the cross body bag isn’t doing quite the same amount of heavy lifting in the leggings photo.

LibertyKnickers · 21/08/2025 22:20

JamieCannister · 21/08/2025 11:00

"And Im sure the trans community have seen the polls/statistics that state like 95-98% of natal people wouldnt have sex with someone trans."

My knowledge is that precisely zero people globally, including trans people, dates outside of their sexual orientation which is always straight, gay or bi. (Caveat, maybe some people experiment a bit when young, or don't realize they are bi til they are older).

So if the stat is suggesting that 95-98% of straight men would not date a man who claims a trans woman identity then it is 2% to 5% underestimating

If the stat is that 95%-98% of straight men would not date someone trans full stop - not even a non-medicalized straight woman who claims to be a gay man with a vagina - then that might well be accurate... but it might be over-stating.

Are these the statistics in question? If so it does look as though those "hetero men" who would date transwomen aren't actually "hetero" but bi. But unfortunately bi, for both sexes, gets lumped in with "queer" and "non-binary", which is like putting oranges and apples together, or come to think of it oranges and cuckoo-clocks.

Transwoman accused of sexual assault after concealing male genitalia on date
ArabellaScott · 21/08/2025 21:58

SionnachRuadh · 21/08/2025 12:40

Sex by deception is one of those areas that's so interesting it often comes up in law exams.

When I was studying, there was a problem question which put the following scenario: You have two women who are identical twins. One twin fancies her sister's husband. She pretends to be her sister to get the husband into bed. On getting him into bed, it turns out that he has a taste for rather rougher sex, including anal, than she had bargained for.

In this scenario, who's liable?

The man might be liable if the woman clearly says no to being penetrated anally and he ignores that, but he might also have a defence if he reasonably believes this is his wife and they have an agreed safeword.

The woman is definitely liable because her premeditated deception goes against him consenting to sex. Even if he's enjoying it, he's been suckered into it under false pretences.

(Disclaimer: my legal ken may be slightly out of date, but I think I've got the gist)

The clear issue here is informed consent. That applies to a man (maybe young, naive, drunk) who doesn't realise his partner is male. It applies to a woman who pretends to be a man so she can get other women into bed.

I think one of the things that first set off major alarms for me on the trans issue was the campaign to amend the law on sex by deception - am I remembering right, or didn't Stonewall explicitly argue for that at one point? It was a clear signal that a certain caste of people feel that the need for consent doesn't apply to them.

Yes, Stonewall campaigned to have that bit of the law removed/changed.

Alex Sharpe wrote a whole book on the subject.

Sexual Intimacy and Gender Identity 'Fraud': Reframing the Legal & Ethical Debate (London: Routledge, 2018)

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/law/people/alex_sharpe/

Alex Sharpe

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/law/people/alex_sharpe

Firealarm1414 · 21/08/2025 21:17

Sorry but no one could mistake that person for a woman if they saw them in real life without the ridiculous filters.

SidewaysOtter · 21/08/2025 21:15

BunfightBetty · 21/08/2025 20:35

Funny how we never see Tandora pop up on these threads to tell us how this bloke is really an actual woman, and isn’t a man, cos he says so, and how it would benefit us to have him changing next to us in the communal gym changing room…

I know, right? The silence is deafening when it turns out trans people perhaps aren’t the most vulnerable/marginalised/oppressed etc. In fact a number of them are predatory arseholes* and are exactly why women need spaces away from all of them in order to be safe.

(*allegedly, in this case)

itsachickeninnit · 21/08/2025 21:11

Christ alive, the filters on his social profile are doing some heavy lifting - in real life he’s got a five o clock shadow 🤦‍♀️

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