Paedophile says he is ‘a teenager trapped in an adult body’.

He allegedly had the malice of for thought to groom this girl, send her sexual images and videos and to incite her to create csa images, none of which would be normal or acceptable behaviour from a teenager.
I have zero sympathy for this man (assuming that he is guilty) or any other pedophile I'll save my sympathy for the victim

I 100% agree. Was trying to make my point briefly but might have, as a result, left it ambiguous.

We don't, except in very unusual circumstances, accept mental illness as absolving people from guilt when they offend. I however don't believe that in this case this man is actually mentally ill, he's just chancing his arm, as the judge correctly noted.

The accommodation is disability not identity though.

And "we do commonly accept that there are young people stuck in the bodies of old people (to continue to run the phrasing). I have a thirty year old family member with learning difficulties that has the development age of a 4 year old."

Surely we accept that there are some 30 year olds who have brains that are 30 years old by definition, but are referred to as having a development age of a 4 year old because that is a very simple and clear way of giving an insight into the capabilities of the brain concerned? We don't accept young people are stuck in the bodies of old people. Similarly, when we say a 40 year old smoker has the lungs of an 80 year old, we are not saying anything about the age of his lungs (which are clearly 40) we are talking about his lung's capabilities.

I agree that "it is possible to have compassion for someone and make accommodations for them without denying reality or putting others at risk." But I would wish to be very clear - the accommodations for people who claim to be trans should be things like great access to mental health support, and time off work to attend MH appointments. It should not involve any sort of pretence that there are some wrong sex spaces or some wrong sex language that should be used by / for them, and compassion and accommodations should (IMHO) be predicated on the trans identifying individual making a committment to try to overcome their MH issues.

I see no reason whatsoever to show compassion or make accommodations for malaga airports, or people who simply reuse to accept that their mental health issues that need treating are a mental health issues that needs treating.

We can't say that though because that's not acceptable. It'll probably get deleted.

Unfortunately the reality is we can use the exact same argument without safeguarding in one area but we can't in another.

Even though we are evidence and scholarly articles pretty much making the same point.

It's just that one has got a certain amount of public support (but certainly not a majority consensus) and the other remains a complete social taboo.

But it's a medical condition. There's lots of research papers on the subject. They just are who they are.

Oh sorry when we say the same thing (and yes there are lots of papers) about paedos it doesn't quite get the same degree of sympathy does it?

I think this is an important point. It is possible to have compassion for someone and make accommodations for them without denying reality or putting others at risk. But it means recognising their disability/mental illness and being honest with the individual - and, obviously, having a sensible and proportionate approach to safeguarding.

Thank heavens the mother spotted it and took over. That poor girl.

"(sexually at least) he feels trapped in a teenage body"

Just to clarify.... I don;t have sympathy with the idea that he might genuinely feel like he is a teenager or that "trapped in the wrong body" is a concept that makes any sense at all... but I do have sympathy with the idea that the truth might be that as of a result of serious trauma his primary sexual responses are to young teens or kids. He is not "trapped in a teenage body", but he might have hard-wired sexual responses that would be normal were he still a young teenager, but are despicable/evil when in the head of an adult (or even an older teen).

I can't remember who / where, but listening to or reading something recently I think they were saying that a lot of "issues" come from childhood trauma, and that your ideas of sex can be set young as a result. I have a degree of sympathy with the idea that a paedophile can be a victim as much as a predator, and that (sexually at least) he feels trapped in a teenage body (the body that - for example - was raped when he was 12).

None of this alters two things -

People who express paedophilic tendencies need high levels of support and incredibly intense monitoring.

People who commit paedophilic acts have no excuse, and punishments need to be much tougher. (I would be tempted to suggest chemical castration plus 40 years in prison, or "life means life" as a starting point, but I am open to reasons why we should be a little less tough in certain circumstances.

The body composition fitness test machine at my gym tells me my body’s ’metabolic age’ is 10 years younger than my actual age.

I’d love to be 10 years younger but with nothing else changed. I could go around telling people I was 41, but it wouldn’t change my birthdate, when I’m likely to retire or anything else.

If people can identify as the opposite sex, and be taken seriously, its absurd to suggest they can't identify as a different age.

Absolutely, Anyone physically and mentally fit enough can genuinely “live as” someone much younger, entirely without medical intervention. Their appearance, interests, ability to continue working into old age can be similar to that of someone a decade or more younger. I offer myself as a good example.

The most bizarre thing here is we do commonly accept that there are young people stuck in the bodies of old people (to continue to run the phrasing). I have a thirty year old family member with learning difficulties that has the development age of a 4 year old.

But we still accept that he is actually 30. He can’t turn up to Septembers reception class and expect to be accepted in to play with the kids.

True.

The 'gender reassignment' characteristic was won by creation of the term 'gender', that purports to mean both 'sex' and 'a thought' at the same time, depending on the light.

If people can identify as the opposite sex, and be taken seriously, its absurd to suggest they can't identify as a different age.

Tandora's arguments tended to have the structural integrity of an economy brand tissue.

That was the example given but apparently according to Tandora, Stefoknee doesn't count because he was reported on in the Daily Mail 🙄

When men started saying they were women trapped in a male body it was felt to be just as ridiculous, tbh it felt too ridiculous protesting it originally as surely it would never be taken seriously.

I've tried to argue I'm "living as a pensioner" and should be eligible for my pension, but alas no luck.

I've got an allotment, say things like "in my day we", have dodgy joints and attend aqua aerobics. Once I was invited to over 60s badminton.

Such bigotry imho #ageisjustanumber . I'm far more of a pensioner than many pensioners I know. One runs marathons!

Well there's always Stefonknee.

I’m a size 8 trapped in a size 14 body.

Relabel all the size 14s immediately, or I’ll get triggered. Not to do so is literal violence.

Ah but weren't we lectured extensively on a thread last week that people claiming to be "trans-age" didn't happen?

Perhaps we'll have to add it to the ever-growing list of things that 'never happen'.

Same here

If only the paedo had slipped a dress on and called himself Shauna. He’d be back sipping his coffee in Starbucks / watching child porn, already.

At weekends I identify as a 25 year old.

Weekdays I’m 67 & a pensioner.

Non binary age wise