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ifIwerenotanandroid · 20/08/2025 17:34

WhereYouLeftIt · 20/08/2025 16:38

An extract from that Independent article:

"At the Scottish TV event, the BBC Radio 2 presenter spoke to actor Russell Tovey and the two reflected on their respective experiences growing up gay in Essex.

Speaking about a nightclub he would go to as a young man, Tovey said: “It was a really important safe space, which I didn’t realise at the time how important that was.

“And now you hear about so many safe spaces disappearing for so many queer people, and the importance of that, of somewhere where you can relax and be amongst the people who understand you.
“The disappearances of those is dangerous.” "

So they get the concept of 'safe spaces', and how important they are. But apparently they are only important for "queer people". They just don't get that women need safe spaces too, and those safe spaces are male-free.

Unbe-fucking-leivable.

Edited

Hang on, what safe spaces are disappearing for which queer people, & why are they disappearing? Sounds like he's talking about social spaces like nightclubs & bars, rather than single-sex spaces like toilets & changing rooms.

Absentmindedsmile · 20/08/2025 17:32

myplace · 20/08/2025 17:24

Fewer appear to be gay men than claim to be transbian women.

It’s not gay men taking lesbian dating apps to court for excluding them.

Well ok, I’m being factual again.. silly me!

Transbian. Fck off if you’ve got a dick. In female spaces.

(none of my post aimed at you pp)

Absentmindedsmile · 20/08/2025 17:28

Jaws2025 · 20/08/2025 17:22

The percentage of trans people in the UK is roughly the same as the percentage of people who are Buddhists in the UK. (0.5%)
I would think we see a lot more trans people on tv etc than we do Buddhists. About the same percentage of UK residents are blind. Again, do they feature much in the media?

It’s not even 0.5%. The last census collecting the data has been proven to be incorrectly worded / misleading.

And yes other groups are woefully ignored.

Not to mention the utter scandal of VAWG being ignored. Imagine if it was men, it’d be much more important.

https://www.sociology.ox.ac.uk/article/flawed-census-question-leads-to-inaccurate-data-on-gender-identity

Flawed census question leads to inaccurate data on gender identity

30 April 2024

https://www.sociology.ox.ac.uk/article/flawed-census-question-leads-to-inaccurate-data-on-gender-identity

Lottapianos · 20/08/2025 17:26

'I haven't been able to move past Chimamanda Ngozie Adichie using a surrogate to have twins'

I didn't know she used a surrogate - that's really not a good look. At all.

myplace · 20/08/2025 17:24

Absentmindedsmile · 20/08/2025 17:13

Well, TIM Are gay men.

Fewer appear to be gay men than claim to be transbian women.

It’s not gay men taking lesbian dating apps to court for excluding them.

FaithHopeCarnage · 20/08/2025 17:22

Lottapianos · 20/08/2025 16:47

'He's close with Rob Rinder though, who gets it'

Big fan of Rob too - very heartened to hear this

For me, the jury is still very much out on Rob Rinder. He made a comment on the M&S story (on TV) that in his opinion the teenage girl was probably perfectly ok with the approach from the TIM and it was only the mother who objected and blew the situation up disproportionately. I know he advocates for equality for women, but I have no idea where he stands when women’s rights conflict with the rainbows. Sad times.

Jaws2025 · 20/08/2025 17:22

The percentage of trans people in the UK is roughly the same as the percentage of people who are Buddhists in the UK. (0.5%)
I would think we see a lot more trans people on tv etc than we do Buddhists. About the same percentage of UK residents are blind. Again, do they feature much in the media?

RobinEllacotStrike · 20/08/2025 17:16

massive!

Helleofabore · 20/08/2025 17:13

RobinEllacotStrike · 20/08/2025 16:52

I haven't been able to move past Chimamanda Ngozie Adichie using a surrogate to have twins. I only found out after I bought her long awaited new novel.
Its ridiculous how let down and devestated I am by her decision to exploit another woman this way. I really looked up to her and I am finding it impossible to reconcile her feminist writings & speeches, with her decision to exploit a surrogate.

I was incredibly shocked by that admission by Chimamanda. It was like some kind of huge dissonance alarm went off.

Absentmindedsmile · 20/08/2025 17:13

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 20/08/2025 17:01

‘of somewhere where you can relax and be amongst the people who understand you.
“The disappearances of those is dangerous.”

On the whole, women don’t understand TIM and don’t want to, and we don’t want to share our spaces with them, campaign for third spaces if it’s so bloody important Russell, how about a gay men and TIM combined space? You try putting up with these men for whom you have so much sympathy.

Well, TIM Are gay men.

AnSolas · 20/08/2025 17:04

zanahoria · 20/08/2025 16:10

TV and radio presenter Rylan Clark has called for there to be more stories about transgender people amid a “mass wave of hate”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rylan-clark-russell-tovey-lgbt-pride-trans-b2810522.html

That may not work out the way he plans it to work.

M&S will be able to explain🙃

And I am guessing he would not be including "gay" TM in his dating pool or supporting them to hang out in gay male spaces?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 20/08/2025 17:01

‘of somewhere where you can relax and be amongst the people who understand you.
“The disappearances of those is dangerous.”

On the whole, women don’t understand TIM and don’t want to, and we don’t want to share our spaces with them, campaign for third spaces if it’s so bloody important Russell, how about a gay men and TIM combined space? You try putting up with these men for whom you have so much sympathy.

Lottapianos · 20/08/2025 16:54

He took on his husband's surname, so became Clark-Neal, but the marriage ended and I guess he feels that just Rylan is easier now

RobinEllacotStrike · 20/08/2025 16:52

RedToothBrush · 20/08/2025 16:36

I'm disappointed but unsurprised given his social circle. He wouldn't be able to continue to do Eurovision if he didn't come out fawning eventually. I'm surprised it's taken this long tbh. (It's interesting he's held out this long)

The thing I am waiting for him to really disappoint me on is buying a baby (I believe he broke up with his ex over the subject). But he hasn't yet, so...

I haven't been able to move past Chimamanda Ngozie Adichie using a surrogate to have twins. I only found out after I bought her long awaited new novel.
Its ridiculous how let down and devestated I am by her decision to exploit another woman this way. I really looked up to her and I am finding it impossible to reconcile her feminist writings & speeches, with her decision to exploit a surrogate.

NPET · 20/08/2025 16:51

toastedbreadcrumbs · 20/08/2025 16:18

Never liked him, always thought there was something 'off' about him.

His name, for one thing.
Is it double-barrelled?
No - now he doesn't seem to have even ONE surname!

Lottapianos · 20/08/2025 16:47

'He's close with Rob Rinder though, who gets it'

Big fan of Rob too - very heartened to hear this

RobinEllacotStrike · 20/08/2025 16:47

I'm only surprised it took him so long

musicalfrog · 20/08/2025 16:44

He's close with Rob Rinder though, who gets it.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 20/08/2025 16:43

Chocolatecoveredshitpig · 20/08/2025 16:26

He actually went to an excellent state school and has something like 12 GCSEs, (according to his book). I think he plays up to the thicko image, while being pretty sharp underneath.

Not that sharp, clearly!

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 16:43

Absentmindedsmile · 20/08/2025 16:41

They need nothing from us. Except when they want to rent a womb. Then when they need us they suddenly understand biology and know what a woman is.

Not all gay men, obviously before people start clutching pearls and fake tits.

I agree. Even their female friends they call "bitches" and "hags" and feel it's ok to say vaginas are disgusting and make them vom.

Yeh yeh not all ... Blah blah... We know.

Absentmindedsmile · 20/08/2025 16:41

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 16:35

I honestly don't think gay men like women much.

They need nothing from us. Except when they want to rent a womb. Then when they need us they suddenly understand biology and know what a woman is.

Not all gay men, obviously before people start clutching pearls and fake tits.

WhereYouLeftIt · 20/08/2025 16:41

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 16:35

I honestly don't think gay men like women much.

Gay men, like straight men, are a mixture of misogynists and non-misogynists.

Absentmindedsmile · 20/08/2025 16:39

ninjahamster · 20/08/2025 16:31

Well the post is about Rylan and him saying we need more representation of trans people so I’m not quite sure what you don’t understand about my response

I wanted You to outline exactly what you meant. Clarity.

WhereYouLeftIt · 20/08/2025 16:38

An extract from that Independent article:

"At the Scottish TV event, the BBC Radio 2 presenter spoke to actor Russell Tovey and the two reflected on their respective experiences growing up gay in Essex.

Speaking about a nightclub he would go to as a young man, Tovey said: “It was a really important safe space, which I didn’t realise at the time how important that was.

“And now you hear about so many safe spaces disappearing for so many queer people, and the importance of that, of somewhere where you can relax and be amongst the people who understand you.
“The disappearances of those is dangerous.” "

So they get the concept of 'safe spaces', and how important they are. But apparently they are only important for "queer people". They just don't get that women need safe spaces too, and those safe spaces are male-free.

Unbe-fucking-leivable.

Helleofabore · 20/08/2025 16:36

Maybe Rylan is saying this because he realises that the more stories the less people support male people accessing female single sex provisions. But he doesn't want to say that. What he wants is to let Operation: Let them speak! work for itself.