Non-binary - what's that all about?

Perhaps that is because you have a strong connection to the truth and an accurate representation of your sex.

Someone who has declared that are non-binary is not basing that on any material reality about themselves at all. I look at your post and I don't feel that there is an equivalence to be made between the two examples.

Why should any person on this planet have to feel compelled to affirm someone's gender identity belief when it is an identity that is not based on anything except what they believe about themselves which is that they reject their sex class?

I know a young person who has decided not only to identify themselves as non binary and declare pronouns as they/them, but has decided that everyone is non binary, and consequently uses the pronouns they/them for every person talked about irrespective of what that person might want. I tried pointing out that they get annoyed if misgendered, yet they are effectively misgendering the vast majority of people they ever talk about since most people are still he or she depending on their biological sex. This fell on deaf ears.
This person has just been accepted to study medicine at university! I can't wait to hear how they get on when they do their obstetrics and gynaecology rotation.

Thank you for explaining.

I find your mention of genetalia into it a bit odd. It's obviously usually how we are assigned our sex at birth but it's not something I've ever given any thought to when going about my life, apart from in medical contexts. I'd be surprised if many people think about their genitals when they're just living the life that hopefully suits them. I sometimes buy clothes from the men's section but I never give my genitals a thought when doing so.

I'm not criticising you, BTW, perhaps I'm making too much of your wording.

@LikeThatNotThat yes, exactly like that. I just feel really weird if someone calls me a woman or a man. I’m human, rest irrelevant.
Similar to gender specific clubs and places, feels almost a bit apartheid like to me.

I do not feel uncomfortable when someone addresses me as she or her, I'm female, Ms Smith, "ask that lady" would be fine for someone to say about me. I do have negative feelings if someone "misgenders" me - I have been mistaken as male in the past and being called he or him is upsetting to me. If I heard someone refer to me as "that man over there" I'd feel annoyed, uncomfortable, sad, embarrassed. Depending on the day 😆

I used to have short hair and a woman told me she fancied me because she didn't go for feminine looking people. That sucked and made me feel bad. Even though she was telling me I was attractive to her! I don't want to be masculine.

I can only assume that non-binary people feel that way when people use any gender pronouns and words for them and about them.

I don't know if I have a gender identity but I do know I have feelings about being called the wrong one. So I can try and understand that some people have that feeling about the gender associated with their sex.

Especially when English ( unlike Romance languages) has a singular neuter pronoun. Heaven help you if you use that , though….👩🏻‍🚀

This is exactly how I feel.

@NebulousSadTimes the idea has been in my head for almost 50 years
I just don’t see gender (or sex) as anything relevant in day to day life. A bit line race - important from a medical point of view but that’s it. I find it bizarre to use gender identifiers in daily life, and to make any sort of decisions around friendship, jobs, clothes based on somebodies genitalia is just odd to me.

I see myself as nonbinary (more agender)

Can I ask why @itsabeautifuldayjuly , If you don't mind sharing obviously, and what put the idea in your head?

If you already believe that TWAW and TMAM then it's easy to bridge the very small gap towards NBIV.

I think non-binary identity is a logical next step if you already believe that woman and man are identities, and have internalised a set of stereotypes about what these identities may represent.

@SidewaysOtter 's point about non-binaryness reinforcing gender stereotypes is an important one. It requires the rest of us to 'identify as non-binary' or accept that the gender stereotypes apply to us (or will be assumed to apply to us). It's part of a regressive trend, dressed in the fake mantle of 'progressiveness'.

One of the people that I know as non-binary, couldn't be more male if they tried, and yes they are male.

It's somebody who wants special attention for being a not-overly-feminine woman or not-overly-masculine man, instead of just doing their thing and getting on with life like the rest of us. 🙄

Hope you hadn’t paid for your lunch!!

Not everyone sees their sex/gender as an essential bit of their identity. For me it isn’t.
i find being addressed by my gender as awkward as being addressed by my ethnicity. Mrs Smith, White Person Smith, Atheist Smith, AB+ Smith. none of these are things i want to be referred to as.
It’s relevant for medical purposes, and that’s it.
I see myself as nonbinary (more agender), and i’ve used the easiest way to a gender neutral title - i’m Dr Smith.
Gender or sec are not concepts I care about in daily life, and i don’t want to be addressed by them.

How can they identify their tribe if they don’t have a flag?

Time was it was enough to be an individual with a personality, now one needs to identify as something. Just be, for fuck’s sake!

How can they identify their tribe if they don’t have a flag?

Time was it was enough to be an individual with a personality, now one needs to identify as something. Just be, for fuck’s sake!

Or: queer trans non binary man
Or: trans demi girl
Or: questioning asexual genderqueer

Or some such look at me! attention seeking bolleaux

It’s basically too much time on social media plus needing to feel special.

Unfortunately it also leads to medical interventions and cross sex hormones

You think non- binary is attention seeking well how about ‘trans non- binary?’ 🤪

I find this so irritating. If I’m reading about someone and it suddenly starts talking about they and them, it takes me a minute of wondering who the others are, then I realise and invariably lose interest in anything they have to say.