Judge McCloud seeks re-hearing of the Supreme Court FWS appeal

That's already happened / is happening. TRAs and trans identified people are not a monolith any more than feminists are.

This is from 2012: https://freethoughtblogs.com/nataliereed/2012/04/02/harry-benjamin-syndrome-syndrome/

It's mostly a load of rubbish but if you can mentally translate the gender jargon it provides a little insight into the schism around gatekeeping, which has never actually been 'resolved' and continues to cause infighting, although the Self ID factions do now dominate.

But as with feminists, people are often prepared to put some disagreements to one side if they feel they can unite behind a shared goal.

I think he is in quite the bind, because he obviously believes he is a special type of transwoman that has had surgery and has been 'living as a woman' for decades. And he knows that some of the public will be more sympathetic to the argument that someone who has had surgery on their male genitalia should have a special case made for them when it comes to being put in a male prison.

But he also knows that many of the people supporting his cause don't think that transwomen need to have surgery. After all, we've been told that a penis isn't a male body part 🙄 So I'd imagine VM is treading a fine line trying not to piss off these supporters, but it is inevitable it will happen eventually.

Strangely enough Michael Foran is not convinced

https://x.com/michaelpforan/status/1957377731013869908

McCloud v UK | Trans Legal Clinic

Who are the “Trans Legal Clinic” supporting him in this and yes, what happened to the joint GLP claim?

I really wish a journalist would ask this question.

I wonder if he is only arguing for the post - surgical group then? Is that the case?

McCloud is only about the post-surgical group? Do all the other *extreme transgender activists know this?

*extreme activists being those who demand gender is prioritised over sex when sex matters.

Yes, these older ones that have actually had their penises removed and do actually attempt to dress like age equivalent (stereotypical) women clearly think that they are 'more trans' or better than the newer breed of young people that are more into being non binary, gemder fluid etc and wear dresses with beards and have ladycocks etc. I can't see the forced teaming lasting either.

I think people like McCloud and other tw who think they now have 'female anatomy' will eventually turn on the proponents of self ID, especially when their challenges to the Supreme Court get them nowhere. I suspect there will be a big fracture in the 'community'.

Apparently, in this instance, because Libby Brooks needed to file some copy so recycled an old article.

The other problem is that a service provider only needs to reasonably accommodate protected characteristics, hence often non existent provision for people with disabilities.

I honestly don't know why this deluded person, who is retired and doesnt live in the UK, gets any airtime at all really.

Another one I actually feel slightky sorry for, a career in law, hard-won no doubt, but reputation retrospectively ruined by out of control proclivities.

I think to get anywhere with this he's going to have to demonstrate that the mens loos in the supermarket/office/pub/theatre wherever (where, as a PP said, young boys manage to go to the loo without incident) are indeed a dangerous place for TIMs to go and that a significant number of TIMs in the UK have been assaulted by non TIMs and non punters in there.

Good luck with that Victoria as I dont believe it happens. All the men I know would barely notice a man dressed as a woman in the mens loos or if they did, might internally roll their eyes and think what a prat, but they wouldn't interact with them in any way. Maybe there are some tucked away seedy toilets used for sex work on lorry parks etc but I think its pretty well documented that violence there is related to sex work and of course the very ladylike TIMs like Victoria wouldn't be frequenting those places (and its mainly women being assaulted anyway).

So it’s too dangerous for VM to use a man’s loo or changing room

But it was perfectly fine for my male children to use them at ages 8 upwards.

Does VM genuinely think VM is more vulnerable than a pre pubescent boy?

VM doesn’t even live in the Uk
SC tend not to hear from individuals
No pro trans lobby group make an application to intervene
the SC had the pro trans side from the Scottish government and Amnesty

Sounds like VM just doesn’t like being told no

"Anatomy" is code for surgery, but I thought the law was clear that it would be inhumane to demand surgery in exchange for legally changing gender!

These men are completely unused to being told “no” aren’t they?

This is so fucking insulting to female rape victims (not you, what he said, obviously!)

It is interesting where this argument based on having "female anatomy" will go. Is the idea to have different rules for pukka TWs who have "female anatomy" and leave other TW in the cold? (This will likely divide the TWAW crowd?) Or are these TW with "female anatomy" supposed be the Trojan horses who will then bring everyone who identifies as a women with them surreptitiously? Hmmm.

My thought exactly. How can McCloud talk about a fair trial when it wasn't a trial at all? What he's grumping about is that the Supreme Court didn't hear evidence from individuals - on either side of the argument.

I don't know what's new either. Has he actually sent a letter before action, whatever it is you have to do?

Why don't they come out and say it publicly, then? Are they worried they are transphobic?