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This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

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CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

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ThatBlackCat · 08/12/2025 03:31

forthemanynotthefew100 · 07/12/2025 23:16

Her charity work is great and no woman should have to face any sort of abuse but she takes get pleasure in attacking mocking and marginalizing one of the most victimised groups in society. I am all for womans rights but this does not mean trans people should be protected as well. But according to her you only deserve support of you were born a woman. It's just plain wrong. If I murder someone but help out my elderly neighbours this does not cancel out the wrong that I have commited and it's the same in this case

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You have to be taking the piss, @forthemanynotthefew100 . Trans is THE most powerful, most protected and most privileged group. It has managed in less than a generation to redefine women, to remove womens hard won rights and spaces, to insert themselves in everything to the extent that we cannot even have an International Womens Day without transwomen being mentioned. Their tentacles reach in government and education. These people are higher up on the totem pole than ordinary males. Indeed and in fact, it is trans activists that get pleasure in attacking, mocking (see the recent thread where a transwoman mocked a girl getting a brain injury from a transwoman in sport and this transwoman LAUGHED about it!) and marginalising the female sex, including reducing us to 'menstruators', 'cervix havers' and 'birthing person'.

NEVER has a group had so much POWER. This is what JK said about trans. Now show me exactly how she is "attacking, mocking and marginalising" transwomen here:

This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..
eatfigs · 08/12/2025 01:51

forthemanynotthefew100 · 07/12/2025 23:16

Her charity work is great and no woman should have to face any sort of abuse but she takes get pleasure in attacking mocking and marginalizing one of the most victimised groups in society. I am all for womans rights but this does not mean trans people should be protected as well. But according to her you only deserve support of you were born a woman. It's just plain wrong. If I murder someone but help out my elderly neighbours this does not cancel out the wrong that I have commited and it's the same in this case

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I've seen her being sharply critical of awful men, which sometimes involves her mocking them. I have no problem with this. Why do you?

ScrollingLeaves · 08/12/2025 00:24

forthemanynotthefew100 · 07/12/2025 23:16

Her charity work is great and no woman should have to face any sort of abuse but she takes get pleasure in attacking mocking and marginalizing one of the most victimised groups in society. I am all for womans rights but this does not mean trans people should be protected as well. But according to her you only deserve support of you were born a woman. It's just plain wrong. If I murder someone but help out my elderly neighbours this does not cancel out the wrong that I have commited and it's the same in this case

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one of the most victimised groups in society
That is a mantra without much meaning.

The following article has some video clips of politicians repeating it.

Neither marginalised, abused nor vulnerable
Debunking a persistent talking point in the trans rights campaign
21 October, 2021
thecritic.co.uk/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable/

RedToothBrush · 08/12/2025 00:19

forthemanynotthefew100 · 07/12/2025 23:16

Her charity work is great and no woman should have to face any sort of abuse but she takes get pleasure in attacking mocking and marginalizing one of the most victimised groups in society. I am all for womans rights but this does not mean trans people should be protected as well. But according to her you only deserve support of you were born a woman. It's just plain wrong. If I murder someone but help out my elderly neighbours this does not cancel out the wrong that I have commited and it's the same in this case

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she takes get pleasure
How can you tell this? I'd like some justification and examples here please.

in attacking mocking
Can we have examples otherwise this is straight up defamation

and marginalizing one of the most victimised groups in society
What criteria are we using to make this assessment? Financial? Socially excluded? Powerful? Crime rates? Where are we talking about?

Honestly the vague drive by generalisation of meaningless phrases stitched today pretending to actually have a coherent and educated thought process behind it is a load of crap.

In reality it's a flat out character assassination based on ideological guff someone copied off the internet from someone else. It's not even their own homework, it's something they say because someone told them JKR is mean and to be cool they should believe it too.

Clueless hot air wind bagging.

EmeraldRoulette · 08/12/2025 00:15

@forthemanynotthefew100 another one waiting for quotes that are "marginalising, attacking, mocking" of any group of people.

BaronMunchausen · 08/12/2025 00:05

forthemanynotthefew100 · 07/12/2025 23:16

Her charity work is great and no woman should have to face any sort of abuse but she takes get pleasure in attacking mocking and marginalizing one of the most victimised groups in society. I am all for womans rights but this does not mean trans people should be protected as well. But according to her you only deserve support of you were born a woman. It's just plain wrong. If I murder someone but help out my elderly neighbours this does not cancel out the wrong that I have commited and it's the same in this case

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How are trans identifying females more victimised in society than other females?

If you're expressing the male-default here, and you actually have in mind trans identifying males, then how is a sub-group of men more victimised in society than women?

Could you also post quotes - with references, so they can be checked - where JKR attacked, mocked, and marginalised both or either of these collective groups?

dinodart · 07/12/2025 23:35

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:45

Yet she spends all her time on social media dividing society 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s clear this thread wasn’t started in good faith asking for actual contributions, so I’m out

She hardly spends "all her time" on social media. She didn't post for weeks recently, and even when she does post it's contained within a time period. She spends most of her time doing other things, I think posting on X takes up a very small amount of her life. It's just that, this is the only part we really get to see of her since it's what she wants to be vocal about. It's clear she has a pretty rich life from the occasional peep into it and the books she writes.

MarieDeGournay · 07/12/2025 23:33

forthemanynotthefew100 · 07/12/2025 23:16

Her charity work is great and no woman should have to face any sort of abuse but she takes get pleasure in attacking mocking and marginalizing one of the most victimised groups in society. I am all for womans rights but this does not mean trans people should be protected as well. But according to her you only deserve support of you were born a woman. It's just plain wrong. If I murder someone but help out my elderly neighbours this does not cancel out the wrong that I have commited and it's the same in this case

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Oh hello, somebody has revived this thread, and with a post which contains so many dubious points -

Transpeople - marginalised? victimised? when in fact they wield a completely disproportionate amount of power and influence - at the last Census there were only about 250,000 transpeople in a population of about 69 million.

Transpeople have all the rights they are entitled to - what rights do you think they do not have? The problem is when they want not only the same rights as anybody else, but other people's rights as well.

But according to her you only deserve support of you were born a woman.
No that's not correct, anybody who needs support deserves to get it, but you only deserve women's rights if you are a woman
'To transpeople, their rights and no more
To women, our rights and no less.'

If I murder someone but help out my elderly neighbours this does not cancel out the wrong that I have commited and it's the same in this case
I'm missing something here - JKR has murdered someone? 🙄

usernameinserthere · 07/12/2025 23:31

forthemanynotthefew100 · 07/12/2025 23:16

Her charity work is great and no woman should have to face any sort of abuse but she takes get pleasure in attacking mocking and marginalizing one of the most victimised groups in society. I am all for womans rights but this does not mean trans people should be protected as well. But according to her you only deserve support of you were born a woman. It's just plain wrong. If I murder someone but help out my elderly neighbours this does not cancel out the wrong that I have commited and it's the same in this case

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Can you provide evidence?

forthemanynotthefew100 · 07/12/2025 23:16

Her charity work is great and no woman should have to face any sort of abuse but she takes get pleasure in attacking mocking and marginalizing one of the most victimised groups in society. I am all for womans rights but this does not mean trans people should be protected as well. But according to her you only deserve support of you were born a woman. It's just plain wrong. If I murder someone but help out my elderly neighbours this does not cancel out the wrong that I have commited and it's the same in this case

Mila6464 · 21/08/2025 21:14

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:33

She could be addressing things like child poverty, she could be helping people like Marcus rashford did. I just find it all quite sad that the elite in this country focus on the divisive rhetoric rather than actually trying to improve things.

you really think that undermining half the population, on behalf of a few fetishists is a minor thing?

Katasaurus · 21/08/2025 00:31

StMarie4me · 19/08/2025 01:04

Chose a pseudonym the same as the man who invented gay conversion therapy, then claimed it was ‘coincidence’.
Ok right. An intelligent woman with an agent, publisher, the internet and nobody checked. Yeah right.
She is a bigot filled with hate for anyone who isn’t straight and white. And she has devastated countless LGBT fans who thought, really believed, that she ‘saw’ them. Understood them. But no. Money and Hate are all she understands.

Sorry I missed this before I posted first time but I am absolutely staggered by it. Also sorry if I'm repeating what other people have asked and would be grateful if anyone can point me to answers already given to the following questions:

  1. Where is the evidence for the allegation that she is filled with hate for anyone who isn't straight and white? What specific examples can you give of hate for anyone?
  2. How does anyone who believes this is true reconcile it with the fact that she set up and pours millions of pounds into a charity - The Lumos Foundation - which works for children in Kenya and Ethiopia as well as many other countries around the world?
  3. Is the poster of this comment a trans-identifying man or the parent, partner of sibling of a trans-identifying person? I know this is a personal matter but I honestly can't think of any other reason as to why anyone would post such a ridiculous and nasty comment.
AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/08/2025 16:09

Thank you @Beowulfa, I'm off to Amazon to search for it now.

CurlewKate · 20/08/2025 15:12

CurlewKate · 20/08/2025 15:11

Wait-she should have stopped writing and tweeting “because trans people told her not to”? Is that what you’re saying?

Sorry@CarobBean72I misunderstood. As you were!

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CurlewKate · 20/08/2025 15:11

CarobBean72 · 20/08/2025 13:49

My personal favourite to the question “What is it that JK Rowling has actually said or done which has made so many apparently adult people swear blind that she’s a genocidal transphobic bigot & force for evil?” was:

well, nothing BUT she continues to write & tweet after trans people told her not to.

And there, I think, we have it.

Wait-she should have stopped writing and tweeting “because trans people told her not to”? Is that what you’re saying?

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Beowulfa · 20/08/2025 14:22

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 19/08/2025 18:19

This will always be one of my favourites.

James blunt is also epic at it. Hope he published a book of his troll responses one day.

Just to say that James Blunt did publish a book of his tweets and it is indeed funny. So few celebs seem able to take the piss out of themselves.

I've never been on Twitter so was first alerted to the fact that Rowling had done something wrong by a FB friend posting furiously about the Galbraith name and Cho Chang suddenly being unacceptable. I was puzzled because Rowling was famously a lovely lefty philanthropist, and my friend was a lefty good guy. On closer inspection (ie reading her essay) I realised my nice lefty friend was actually a woke bro who had a lot of blue hair tribe friends who thought men playing women's rugby was fine.

CarobBean72 · 20/08/2025 13:49

My personal favourite to the question “What is it that JK Rowling has actually said or done which has made so many apparently adult people swear blind that she’s a genocidal transphobic bigot & force for evil?” was:

well, nothing BUT she continues to write & tweet after trans people told her not to.

And there, I think, we have it.

GallantKumquat · 20/08/2025 13:48

CarobBean72 · 20/08/2025 12:19

This is the lunatic conspiracy theory that JK Rowling, back in 2011 when she began planning the Strike series, was well aware that the man known as Bob Heath to his friends & who published all his (fairly obscure) research, including his 1972 experiment on gay conversion, under the name RG Heath had the middle name Galbraith and chose it for that reason - as opposed to, say, echoing the well-known economist & diplomat of her & my youth, JK (note the initials) Galbraith.

I’d like to bet that the first time @StMarie4Me heard of Bob Heath & his experiments was when Pink News decided to make the wholly spurious connection in 2020 - along with the false claim that her then latest novel Troubled Blood was about a “transwoman” serial killer (it’s actually about catching a female serial killer, but you have to read it to know that).

It’s notable too that nobody made this false claim about the pseudonym before Rowling tweeted in support of Maya Forstater.

If Heath’s discredited work & unused middle name was so well known, why did her agent & publisher OK the pseudonym & no reviewer or commentator mention it in 2013 when the first Strike book appeared? Or in 2014, 2015 & 2018 when subsequent books came out?

Besides, if JK Rowling was truly a homophobic supporter of gay conversion therapy, she wouldn’t be a TERF.

She’d be as keen on the chemical sterilisation and surgical mutilation of gender-non-confirming kids likely to grow up as healthy gay, lesbian & bisexual adults as the transactivists are.

Interestingly the Wikipedia entry for aug 2011 is quite sparse and doesn't mention conversion therapy. That notability seems to have been added well after the original entry had been made. 🤔

en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_Galbraith_Heath&oldid=446221001

Waitwhat23 · 20/08/2025 13:23

It's actually a handy indicator. Anyone declaring any of the following in particular -

Declaring that JKR is the devil because of her defence of women's legal rights to single sex services as per the EQA 2010 or that she's not 'being kind enough' to absolute wallopers like India Willoughby.

That the Harry Potter series can be divorced from its creator and (in one particularly eye rolling bit of cringe I saw yesterday) having a big old tantrum about doughnuts decorated like Hogwart's houses.

Bringing up that utter nonsense about a pen name. It's a bit of a fucking stretch even for the most reality denying TRA's that JKR purposely based her pseudonym on Robert Galbraith Heath, as a pp has explained above.

The above just makes people think 'ah, you're a credulous numpty with no critical thinking skills'. As I said, it's quite useful.

RobinEllacotStrike · 20/08/2025 13:11

thank you for explaining that @CarobBean72

CarobBean72 · 20/08/2025 12:19

StMarie4me · 19/08/2025 01:04

Chose a pseudonym the same as the man who invented gay conversion therapy, then claimed it was ‘coincidence’.
Ok right. An intelligent woman with an agent, publisher, the internet and nobody checked. Yeah right.
She is a bigot filled with hate for anyone who isn’t straight and white. And she has devastated countless LGBT fans who thought, really believed, that she ‘saw’ them. Understood them. But no. Money and Hate are all she understands.

This is the lunatic conspiracy theory that JK Rowling, back in 2011 when she began planning the Strike series, was well aware that the man known as Bob Heath to his friends & who published all his (fairly obscure) research, including his 1972 experiment on gay conversion, under the name RG Heath had the middle name Galbraith and chose it for that reason - as opposed to, say, echoing the well-known economist & diplomat of her & my youth, JK (note the initials) Galbraith.

I’d like to bet that the first time @StMarie4Me heard of Bob Heath & his experiments was when Pink News decided to make the wholly spurious connection in 2020 - along with the false claim that her then latest novel Troubled Blood was about a “transwoman” serial killer (it’s actually about catching a female serial killer, but you have to read it to know that).

It’s notable too that nobody made this false claim about the pseudonym before Rowling tweeted in support of Maya Forstater.

If Heath’s discredited work & unused middle name was so well known, why did her agent & publisher OK the pseudonym & no reviewer or commentator mention it in 2013 when the first Strike book appeared? Or in 2014, 2015 & 2018 when subsequent books came out?

Besides, if JK Rowling was truly a homophobic supporter of gay conversion therapy, she wouldn’t be a TERF.

She’d be as keen on the chemical sterilisation and surgical mutilation of gender-non-confirming kids likely to grow up as healthy gay, lesbian & bisexual adults as the transactivists are.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/08/2025 09:00

And as I said upthread, not only did they do that, but when she laughed about their dicks on Twitter and said she hasn’t reported them but might release a coffee table book, they accused her of “ignoring child abuse”.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/08/2025 08:51

ThorsRaven · 20/08/2025 00:13

Yes. She used to do threads specifically for kids, but she had to stop because the TRAs spammed the kid-friendly threads with pornography and graphic adult content.

And then they say we are bigots for not wanting them in our changing rooms and rape crisis groups.

I mean, really, look at yourselves.

Weneedmoreheretics · 20/08/2025 08:43

And bil ok Val lover of Sturgeon is a lesbian woman hater who claims to be a Lesbian Couldn’t make it up, now there’s some books to throw in the river.

ThorsRaven · 20/08/2025 00:13

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 09:05

I admire her charity work but dislike her social media presence because I think people with huge reach and influence who engage in petty smackdowns of people they disagree with is not a good look. Does she ever post about anything else?

Yes. She used to do threads specifically for kids, but she had to stop because the TRAs spammed the kid-friendly threads with pornography and graphic adult content.

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