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CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

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MarieDeGournay · 08/12/2025 12:21

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/12/2025 12:14

Why the sarcasm?

When the sarcasm?
Last August!
The context might explain why the sarcasm.

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/12/2025 12:14

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 10:46

She should probably have posted a photo of herself doing something more womanly, like knitting or wearing a pinny whilst preparing her hard working hubby’s dinner, would that make you feel better?

Why the sarcasm?

KitWyn · 08/12/2025 12:03

MarieDeGournay · 08/12/2025 11:35

  1. A relative. A fair butch lesbian. Not even particularly tall. Wore a dress once for a night out. A group got her thrown out of a nightclub because she couldn't prove she was female and this group decided she shouldn't be using the women's toilets.

Good heavens, how many butch lesbians ARE there in the population?
And where were they all in my clubbing days??

They seem to be popping up everywhere now, and all of them have straight friends who post on MN, and all of them get not only challenged, but actually chased out of women's toilets.
I didn't know there were enough butch lesbians to go around!

I agree. All the lesbians I know were supremely delighted by the Supreme Court ruling. Including all the 'butch' ones. Now, finally, they can have lesbian-only events/apps free of bepenised people. And they all continue to be delighted by it, though cross with its bumpy, delayed-in-some-areas rollout.

Very, very occasionally, a woman (of any sexual orientation) may appear quite masculine to another woman. And she might get challenged with a "This is the ladies!?" for example.

But women - even very tall ones with very short hair, no makeup and wearing androgynous clothing - will still have a woman's voice, move like a woman and react to a challenge like a woman.

My lesbian friends don't know of any incidences where a quick (slightly embarrassing) chat hasn't resolved this confusion very quickly. And any claims to the contrary are misinformed nonsense on stilts.

Myalternate · 08/12/2025 12:01

Don’t believe the nightclub story….at all.

borntobequiet · 08/12/2025 12:00

justteanbiscuits · 08/12/2025 09:42

Unfortunately it does. I can give you three examples:

  1. A close friend who Graham Linehan took against. Decided to 'out her' as trans (she isn't) and dox her. He encouraged his friends to jump on the bandwagon. At least JK Rowling deleted her tweet. This put her life in turmoil, and her teenage daughters at huge risk for bullying. This is not protecting women.

  2. A colleague. A 6ft1 woman, slim, big boobs, died red hair, and often wears too much make up. Three times she has been abused and threatened for being in "women's spaces". One "called their mates" to come and get her. She walked down the street with them following her shouting trans based abused.

  3. A relative. A fair butch lesbian. Not even particularly tall. Wore a dress once for a night out. A group got her thrown out of a nightclub because she couldn't prove she was female and this group decided she shouldn't be using the women's toilets.

This is the reality of what is happening and being encouraged.

Edited

Either this sort of thing was happening before trans became a thing (though I doubt it), in which case it’s some women being nasty, or it only started after trans became a thing, in which case it’s down to men self identifying into women’s spaces and spooking women. That’s if it’s really happening at all; it may be, IDK.

Either way it’s not the fault of JKR, or sex realistic beliefs women generally.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/12/2025 11:55

RoyalCorgi · 08/12/2025 09:54

What a depressing thread. When all this started a few years ago I was quite forgiving of people who were pushing gender ideology because I thought they probably weren't aware of exactly what was going on - rapists in women's prisons, young women having double mastectomies, women losing their job for believing in biological sex. Eight years on, there is no excuse for not knowing what is happening but still there are people blindly pushing this stuff.

Quite.

MarieDeGournay · 08/12/2025 11:35
  1. A relative. A fair butch lesbian. Not even particularly tall. Wore a dress once for a night out. A group got her thrown out of a nightclub because she couldn't prove she was female and this group decided she shouldn't be using the women's toilets.

Good heavens, how many butch lesbians ARE there in the population?
And where were they all in my clubbing days??

They seem to be popping up everywhere now, and all of them have straight friends who post on MN, and all of them get not only challenged, but actually chased out of women's toilets.
I didn't know there were enough butch lesbians to go around!

illinivich · 08/12/2025 10:35

TRA has gone from trans rights and women rights are compatible, to women rights are to blame for everything.

Its because men dont need womens rights, even those men who role play at being women. Women rights are now stopping them doing what they want, when they want.

TRA want the spaces to exist so they can access women, but as soon as measures are in place to ensure that they are women only, having women space is impossible or old fashioned.

As we all know, womens spaces have never been gatekept on a idea of beauty, or what we wear, or how tall we are. Its based on being female. TRA lie when they claim that the world is so gender conforming, women just cannot get their heads round the idea that a women might be tall or have short hair, or a butch lesbian might wear a dress (!) where do TRA think women live?

Men used to use being unchallenged in womens spaces as a form of acceptable or passing. Many claim never to have been challenged, even though i stuggle to name a female passing man. So its odd that when trans activism has ramped up, and women have started to challenge men in women spaces, its never them who are challenged, but women?

RoyalCorgi · 08/12/2025 09:54

What a depressing thread. When all this started a few years ago I was quite forgiving of people who were pushing gender ideology because I thought they probably weren't aware of exactly what was going on - rapists in women's prisons, young women having double mastectomies, women losing their job for believing in biological sex. Eight years on, there is no excuse for not knowing what is happening but still there are people blindly pushing this stuff.

Helleofabore · 08/12/2025 09:51

justteanbiscuits · 08/12/2025 09:42

Unfortunately it does. I can give you three examples:

  1. A close friend who Graham Linehan took against. Decided to 'out her' as trans (she isn't) and dox her. He encouraged his friends to jump on the bandwagon. At least JK Rowling deleted her tweet. This put her life in turmoil, and her teenage daughters at huge risk for bullying. This is not protecting women.

  2. A colleague. A 6ft1 woman, slim, big boobs, died red hair, and often wears too much make up. Three times she has been abused and threatened for being in "women's spaces". One "called their mates" to come and get her. She walked down the street with them following her shouting trans based abused.

  3. A relative. A fair butch lesbian. Not even particularly tall. Wore a dress once for a night out. A group got her thrown out of a nightclub because she couldn't prove she was female and this group decided she shouldn't be using the women's toilets.

This is the reality of what is happening and being encouraged.

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Is this post supposed to be blaming feminists campaigning to prioritise female people’s needs for these actions?

Do you think perhaps you should turn your pointing finger of shame at the male people who have demanded that they be treated as in they were female and cannot respect single sex provisions and just access them knowing they should not? That way lies the blame.

MarieDeGournay · 08/12/2025 09:49

forthemanynotthefew100 appears to have left. Predictable.
But their intervention gave us a good opportunity to re-state some truths about JKR, e.g. Lumos, the Anne Rowling MS clinic, Beira's Place, her statements in support of trans people's human rights, etc, and that's not a bad thing,

Namelessnelly · 08/12/2025 09:48

justteanbiscuits · 08/12/2025 09:42

Unfortunately it does. I can give you three examples:

  1. A close friend who Graham Linehan took against. Decided to 'out her' as trans (she isn't) and dox her. He encouraged his friends to jump on the bandwagon. At least JK Rowling deleted her tweet. This put her life in turmoil, and her teenage daughters at huge risk for bullying. This is not protecting women.

  2. A colleague. A 6ft1 woman, slim, big boobs, died red hair, and often wears too much make up. Three times she has been abused and threatened for being in "women's spaces". One "called their mates" to come and get her. She walked down the street with them following her shouting trans based abused.

  3. A relative. A fair butch lesbian. Not even particularly tall. Wore a dress once for a night out. A group got her thrown out of a nightclub because she couldn't prove she was female and this group decided she shouldn't be using the women's toilets.

This is the reality of what is happening and being encouraged.

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That’s in the men who demanded access to women’s facilities isn’t it then? I mean, unless of course this was happing before trans mania became a thing and it’s just always been that way? Maybe if women had a guarantee thst everyone in female facilities was female, women wouldn’t get harassed.

Are you honestly saying women should let all men into female single sex facilities because some women get questioned? How about all men don’t use female facilities?

Helleofabore · 08/12/2025 09:47

justteanbiscuits · 08/12/2025 09:42

Unfortunately it does. I can give you three examples:

  1. A close friend who Graham Linehan took against. Decided to 'out her' as trans (she isn't) and dox her. He encouraged his friends to jump on the bandwagon. At least JK Rowling deleted her tweet. This put her life in turmoil, and her teenage daughters at huge risk for bullying. This is not protecting women.

  2. A colleague. A 6ft1 woman, slim, big boobs, died red hair, and often wears too much make up. Three times she has been abused and threatened for being in "women's spaces". One "called their mates" to come and get her. She walked down the street with them following her shouting trans based abused.

  3. A relative. A fair butch lesbian. Not even particularly tall. Wore a dress once for a night out. A group got her thrown out of a nightclub because she couldn't prove she was female and this group decided she shouldn't be using the women's toilets.

This is the reality of what is happening and being encouraged.

Edited

What has this to do with JK Rowling?

TheKeatingFive · 08/12/2025 09:45

justteanbiscuits · 08/12/2025 09:42

Unfortunately it does. I can give you three examples:

  1. A close friend who Graham Linehan took against. Decided to 'out her' as trans (she isn't) and dox her. He encouraged his friends to jump on the bandwagon. At least JK Rowling deleted her tweet. This put her life in turmoil, and her teenage daughters at huge risk for bullying. This is not protecting women.

  2. A colleague. A 6ft1 woman, slim, big boobs, died red hair, and often wears too much make up. Three times she has been abused and threatened for being in "women's spaces". One "called their mates" to come and get her. She walked down the street with them following her shouting trans based abused.

  3. A relative. A fair butch lesbian. Not even particularly tall. Wore a dress once for a night out. A group got her thrown out of a nightclub because she couldn't prove she was female and this group decided she shouldn't be using the women's toilets.

This is the reality of what is happening and being encouraged.

Edited

It's a terrible shame that men have broken the social contract, infiltrated women's spaces and made women more suspicious than they once were.

However the answer to this is for men to commit to staying out of women's spaces and rebuild trust among women.

Here's hoping they commit to that process and get on with it.

Helleofabore · 08/12/2025 09:44

justteanbiscuits · 08/12/2025 09:35

Where have Emma Watson, Daniel Radcliff and Rupert Grint been abusive to her or women?

Where has she ‘attacked’ those people?

justteanbiscuits · 08/12/2025 09:42

TheKeatingFive · 08/12/2025 09:35

Oh don't be ridiculous.

This has got zero to do with standards of beauty and absolutely everything to do with biological sex

Unfortunately it does. I can give you three examples:

  1. A close friend who Graham Linehan took against. Decided to 'out her' as trans (she isn't) and dox her. He encouraged his friends to jump on the bandwagon. At least JK Rowling deleted her tweet. This put her life in turmoil, and her teenage daughters at huge risk for bullying. This is not protecting women.

  2. A colleague. A 6ft1 woman, slim, big boobs, died red hair, and often wears too much make up. Three times she has been abused and threatened for being in "women's spaces". One "called their mates" to come and get her. She walked down the street with them following her shouting trans based abused.

  3. A relative. A fair butch lesbian. Not even particularly tall. Wore a dress once for a night out. A group got her thrown out of a nightclub because she couldn't prove she was female and this group decided she shouldn't be using the women's toilets.

This is the reality of what is happening and being encouraged.

PistachioTiramisuLimoncello · 08/12/2025 09:37

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:39

Okay. You don’t need to be, because I hold my beliefs and you hold yours. For what it’s worth, I don’t know where I sit on the entire trans thing but I think I lean more towards the views held on this board. I just find it sad when anyone with great wealth becomes like this.

Are you serious?

J.K. Rowling's extensive charitable work centers on helping vulnerable children and women through her charity Lumos, supporting victims of abuse via her Volant Trust, funding neurological research at the Anne Rowling Clinic, and establishing women's support at Beira's Place, demonstrating a deep commitment to social welfare, often inspired by her own experiences and focusing on alleviating poverty and deprivation, particularly for women and children.
Key Charities & Initiatives:

  • Lumos: Founded by Rowling to end the institutionalization of children by transforming care systems, helping them find family homes.
  • Volant Charitable Trust:Administers grants to charities, primarily in Scotland, tackling social deprivation, especially for women and children.
  • Anne Rowling Regenerative Neurology Clinic: Established with a significant donation in memory of her mother, focusing on MS and other neurological conditions.
  • Beira's Place: A free, women-only support service in Edinburgh for survivors of sexual violence and abuse.
  • Gingerbread: Served as President for this charity supporting lone parents and their children.
Other Charitable Activities:
  • Harry Potter Companion Books:Wrote Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, Quidditch Through the Ages, and The Tales of Beedle the Bard, with proceeds benefiting charities like Lumos.
  • Past Affiliations: Worked with Amnesty International and supported organizations like Doctors Without Borders and Maggie's Centres.
  • Legal Funding: Uses her wealth to fund legal cases for women's sex-based rights, as noted by a Reddit post.
Motivation:
  • Inspired by a story of a boy in a Romanian orphanage, leading to Lumos.
  • Her own experiences with poverty and her mother's MS fueled her desire to help.
justteanbiscuits · 08/12/2025 09:35

Helleofabore · 08/12/2025 05:10

Perhaps it would be good to go back to JK Rowling’s twitter timeline and bring examples of when she has attacked or mocked a person who has not been abusive towards her or other women first?

If you cannot find an example of her attacking or mocking a person who has not been abusive toward her or other women first, why do you remove her right to react to that abuse? Why would you support the abuser over the victim?

Without specific evidence, all you have is a vague generalisation which you are then using to attack a victim of horrendous abuse. I wonder if you understand the abuser dynamic at all?

Where have Emma Watson, Daniel Radcliff and Rupert Grint been abusive to her or women?

TheKeatingFive · 08/12/2025 09:35

justteanbiscuits · 08/12/2025 09:33

Remember she is one of the "you can just tell" brigade, and that any women who were born women who might, unfortunately, get wrongly labelled are just unfortunate. Remember to live up to the normal standards of beauty expected of you ladies.

Oh don't be ridiculous.

This has got zero to do with standards of beauty and absolutely everything to do with biological sex

justteanbiscuits · 08/12/2025 09:33

Remember she is one of the "you can just tell" brigade, and that any women who were born women who might, unfortunately, get wrongly labelled are just unfortunate. Remember to live up to the normal standards of beauty expected of you ladies.

illinivich · 08/12/2025 08:15

Men who prioritise themselves and expect everyone else to, always give women a 'to do list' of the issues they need to solve before women rights.

oldtiredcyclist · 08/12/2025 07:01

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:33

She could be addressing things like child poverty, she could be helping people like Marcus rashford did. I just find it all quite sad that the elite in this country focus on the divisive rhetoric rather than actually trying to improve things.

This is what J K Rowling supports. What Marcus Rashford did was admirable, but J K Rowling has done a hundred times that.

https://www.platinummediagroup.co.uk/dynamic/2025/07/jk-rowling-and-the-philanthropists-tome/

awpc.cattcenter.iastate.edu/directory/j-k-rowling/

JK Rowling & The Philanthropist's Tome - Platinum Media Group

https://www.platinummediagroup.co.uk/dynamic/2025/07/jk-rowling-and-the-philanthropists-tome

Namelessnelly · 08/12/2025 05:35

forthemanynotthefew100 · 07/12/2025 23:16

Her charity work is great and no woman should have to face any sort of abuse but she takes get pleasure in attacking mocking and marginalizing one of the most victimised groups in society. I am all for womans rights but this does not mean trans people should be protected as well. But according to her you only deserve support of you were born a woman. It's just plain wrong. If I murder someone but help out my elderly neighbours this does not cancel out the wrong that I have commited and it's the same in this case

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So do you shout at the dogs trust because they don’t centre and protect cats? Why is it women’s job to protect transpeople? Where are all the transpeople sticking up for women when women get death threats, rape threats and violence for demanding their sex based rights? Just because we’re women doesn’t mean we have to put everyone else first.

Helleofabore · 08/12/2025 05:10

forthemanynotthefew100 · 07/12/2025 23:16

Her charity work is great and no woman should have to face any sort of abuse but she takes get pleasure in attacking mocking and marginalizing one of the most victimised groups in society. I am all for womans rights but this does not mean trans people should be protected as well. But according to her you only deserve support of you were born a woman. It's just plain wrong. If I murder someone but help out my elderly neighbours this does not cancel out the wrong that I have commited and it's the same in this case

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Perhaps it would be good to go back to JK Rowling’s twitter timeline and bring examples of when she has attacked or mocked a person who has not been abusive towards her or other women first?

If you cannot find an example of her attacking or mocking a person who has not been abusive toward her or other women first, why do you remove her right to react to that abuse? Why would you support the abuser over the victim?

Without specific evidence, all you have is a vague generalisation which you are then using to attack a victim of horrendous abuse. I wonder if you understand the abuser dynamic at all?

ThatBlackCat · 08/12/2025 03:36

Ah, Advanced Search shows @forthemanynotthefew100 is a brand new poster, a one post poster. Sent from reddit no doubt, that's if they not a current poster under a new name.

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