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CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

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Clarissaclaire · 18/08/2025 12:23

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 12:16

OK, I should have said "I feel..." I apologise for that. But that is the feeling I get about them. Would they stop and fact check whether they were joining in to ruin someones life? Or would they see "Oh, that is a man pretending to be a woman because this man just told me so.." and take pleasure from sharing the images / videos / tweets?

I honestly don't care you don't believe me. I truly don't. Live in your bubble where Graham Linehan is a hero, and JK Rowling a God and dismiss everything else that is said as lies. Carry on a keyboard crusade while others actually go out and try and make meaningful change.

So, now you are assuming I live in a bubble, and you are assuming you know what I think about Lineham and Rowling. You are off the scale with your assumptions.
Go learn how to make substantiated cases about things, learn how to argue and debate properly.
As I said before, you have no credibility.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 12:18

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 12:01

Go back and read my post where I explained what I do, rather than just sit at a keyboard, to support women's rights. To ensure fairness in sport when it comes to trans women. To fight for psychological support for young people to help prevent them make life altering decisions.

I have repeatedly explained my friend was not trans. But apparently 'collateral damage' is acceptable. I've been told that many times (another friend, an ex colleague, has received vile abuse on a number of occasions for having the temerity to be over 6ft and not meet some sort of beauty standard). I don't pick and choose the women I support on how they look.

As I said. I would have been happy to provide the proof privately, but having been burned before, I don't trust you not to use the information against me in some way.

You do know that I have absolutely no idea who you are? And I have absolutely no interest in finding out? You seem to have made up a whole scenario in your head about me and my motivations which is wholly bizarre. I am not responsible for whatever has happened to you or your friends or your friend’s children, on SM or anywhere else.

This thread is about JKR, whose stance on the rights of women and girls I support.

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 12:16

Clarissaclaire · 18/08/2025 12:07

“You are the sort of person….”
Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. You have absolutely no credibility.

OK, I should have said "I feel..." I apologise for that. But that is the feeling I get about them. Would they stop and fact check whether they were joining in to ruin someones life? Or would they see "Oh, that is a man pretending to be a woman because this man just told me so.." and take pleasure from sharing the images / videos / tweets?

I honestly don't care you don't believe me. I truly don't. Live in your bubble where Graham Linehan is a hero, and JK Rowling a God and dismiss everything else that is said as lies. Carry on a keyboard crusade while others actually go out and try and make meaningful change.

Clarissaclaire · 18/08/2025 12:07

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“You are the sort of person….”
Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. You have absolutely no credibility.

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 12:01

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 11:41

You had responded twice with prevarications as to why you wouldn’t provide proof, which in my experience is how people behave when they have no evidence. It was a funny GIF, saying it caused you ‘distress’ is slightly hyperbolic.

Again, I can’t comment on whether JKR’s behaviour was ‘disgusting’ because you haven’t provided the evidence that you claim exists. When you say all women, do you include TW in that? Because if you do then I’m firmly with JKR that TW are men, and should be treated as such and refused entry to the SSS of women. People can’t change sex, it’s binary and immutable. No doubt I’m also ‘disgusting’ for stating such heresy in your eyes but I think I can live with it.

Go back and read my post where I explained what I do, rather than just sit at a keyboard, to support women's rights. To ensure fairness in sport when it comes to trans women. To fight for psychological support for young people to help prevent them make life altering decisions.

I have repeatedly explained my friend was not trans. But apparently 'collateral damage' is acceptable. I've been told that many times (another friend, an ex colleague, has received vile abuse on a number of occasions for having the temerity to be over 6ft and not meet some sort of beauty standard). I don't pick and choose the women I support on how they look.

As I said. I would have been happy to provide the proof privately, but having been burned before, I don't trust you not to use the information against me in some way.

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 11:55

Menier · 18/08/2025 11:36

Oh the irony

Explain the irony please. I am missing something here.

takealettermsjones · 18/08/2025 11:53

I think people must forget that JK Rowling is a person. Being a multimillionaire doesn't strip her of her right to an opinion, or to a twitter account for that matter. If people don't like reading what she has to say, they can unfollow/block her.

And if she's as awful as some would have us believe, surely most people would have done that by now? And thus, problem solved - platform gone! But obviously, that hasn't happened. She's sold about 650 million books, and she has 14 million followers. Can it be the case that all of those 14 million people are hateful bigots? Or is it possible that some are reasonable people who happen to agree with her, at least in part?

I've followed her for a long time because of her books, so I read her initial tweets and essay when they happened. Her language was a lot more careful and balanced then, it's true. She is coarser now, less timid, more blunt. A lot of people have brought this attitude shift up as a kind of gotcha - you said you'd march with trans people! You wouldn't now! And they're right, but I don't think it's a gotcha. With every dick pic, doxx, and death threat, she ran out of a few more fucks to give, and I don't blame her at all.

ChristmaslightsuptilJanuary · 18/08/2025 11:49

She’s a wonderful, amazing human who
is also astonishingly clever. The latter means that she generally runs rings around her haters which is always fabulous to see.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 11:49

ApolloandDaphne · 18/08/2025 11:32

I met Val McDermid and she came across as a pretentious twat. She likes to pretend she is a down to earth Fifer but really she is as middle class as they come.

Val McDermid also thinks that men with special identities should be allowed into women’s spaces and sports.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 11:44

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 11:32

And yes, I am angry, because a group of adults tried to ruin the life of someone who is a very good friend. A group of adults caused pain to her family and led to her children being bullied because of their lies.

I am quite sure you would be angry if the same happened to one of your friends.

But, at the end of the day, you can choose not to believe me. That doesn't change anything. But I also don't trust you with my personal information.

I have absolutely no interest in your personal information, what a bizarre thing to say.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 11:43

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 11:02

So that you can demonstrate her ‘hatefulness’ to the world presumably. Especially as no one else has been able to prove even a smidgeon of ‘transphobia’.

This. Basically pics or it didn't happen.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 11:41

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 11:29

You didn't respond simply asking for links though did you? "OK Jan.." is not asking nicely for links. To me it shows someone who would revel in the distress of others.

Do you agree that that sort of behaviour is disgusting? Do you believe it shows that it's not actually all women she wants to protect, but only certain women who match her tick list of traits she will support?

You had responded twice with prevarications as to why you wouldn’t provide proof, which in my experience is how people behave when they have no evidence. It was a funny GIF, saying it caused you ‘distress’ is slightly hyperbolic.

Again, I can’t comment on whether JKR’s behaviour was ‘disgusting’ because you haven’t provided the evidence that you claim exists. When you say all women, do you include TW in that? Because if you do then I’m firmly with JKR that TW are men, and should be treated as such and refused entry to the SSS of women. People can’t change sex, it’s binary and immutable. No doubt I’m also ‘disgusting’ for stating such heresy in your eyes but I think I can live with it.

PistachioTiramisuLimoncello · 18/08/2025 11:40

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:28

I don’t think she’s as awful as a lot of people seem to.

I just think it’s kind of sad. She has so much money, and she spends all her time on such a minuscule issue compared to what the country is facing. She could do so much good for the nation, and she won’t.

Yeah rights for 51% of the population - minuscule! 🙄

anytipswelcome · 18/08/2025 11:40

@ThatCyanSheep

JK Rowling is the 20th most generous charity donor in the whole of the UK according to the Sunday Times Giving List 2025. She has donated more than £200 million to charity.

One of her key focuses is a charity she founded, created to support disadvantaged children. To suggest she hasn’t done anything to help children in poverty is utterly ridiculous.

It wouldn’t have taken much (when people pointed out you were so very wrong) to say ah I didn’t realise that, and acknowledge that she’s done a huge amount on that front, rather than flouncing.

Menier · 18/08/2025 11:36

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Oh the irony

takealettermsjones · 18/08/2025 11:35

InMyShowgirlEra · 18/08/2025 11:10

Cho Chang- (if you want to ignore the fact her name is racist we can do) but a sweet, intelligent Asian girl who cries all the time (we're clearly supposed to forget that her boyfriend just died and Harry jumped right on in there) and has no other character development.

Parvati Patil becomes absorbed by divination early on, seen even in the wizarding world as a nonsense and feeding into "mystical" Asian stereotypes, and Padma just disappears. In the books, they are at least "pretty", which seems to be the only descriptor they really get, but the film undoes that because no-one could be bothered to actually dress them properly and wanted to focus to stay on Hermione.

The Irish characters (Seamus Finnigan, but also Luna after the casting decision was made and signed off explicitly by JK)- one is an idiot who is always blowing something up, the other is a lovable eccentric who believes in a wide range of conspiracy theories and would be a tin-foil hat wearer in the muggle world.

There are very few characters explicitly identified as black in the books but we do have Dean Thomas who JK has said was black although he isn't defined as such in the UK version, which is a problem in itself. He's not too bright, always in trouble and hangs out with Seamus. His Dad left him.

And Kingsley Shacklebolt...do I really need to go into why that's problematic?

Fleur is hyper-sexualised and extremely passionate.

Lavender Brown was black in the film until the filmmakers realised she had some lines, then she was recast as white!

Don't get me started on the hook-nosed, money-obsessed goblins.

As an aside, JK Rowling has explicitly confirmed that lycanthropy was a metaphor for HIV/AIDS. Apparently, likening AIDS sufferers to people who turn into uncontrollable werewolves who attack people in the night was meant to REDUCE stigma.

And finally, if you ask me a question I will answer it but if you're replying to my posts just to insult me, then you are wasting your time as I won't respond to it.

This is quite the collection of deliberate spins. You should work in PR.

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 11:33

porridgecake · 18/08/2025 11:29

He left because his wife and children were being harassed, stalked and threatened by TRAs.

That is rubbish. His wife and children left him. They have spoken about the pain he caused them and why his children are virtually no contact with him now.

ApolloandDaphne · 18/08/2025 11:32

Viviennemary · 18/08/2025 08:32

I will bite. I dont like her because she comes across as she thinks her opinions are worth more because she is rich and a successful author. Compare her tosomebody like Val Mcdermid who comes over as a really down to earth and nice person. . That hasn't got an inflated ego because of success.

I met Val McDermid and she came across as a pretentious twat. She likes to pretend she is a down to earth Fifer but really she is as middle class as they come.

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 11:32

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 11:19

Given that I’m not on X I wouldn’t be retweeting anything about anyone.

I find it interesting that because I asked you for proof of something that you have declared to be true, that your response is to become abusive and have assigned actions to me that are, quite frankly, bizarre. I make my decisions on any given subject based on facts. You declared something that you insisted was factual, I asked you to provide proof and you respond in this manner. I can only assume you are so angry because you have no proof of anything.

And yes, I am angry, because a group of adults tried to ruin the life of someone who is a very good friend. A group of adults caused pain to her family and led to her children being bullied because of their lies.

I am quite sure you would be angry if the same happened to one of your friends.

But, at the end of the day, you can choose not to believe me. That doesn't change anything. But I also don't trust you with my personal information.

Gofaster2023 · 18/08/2025 11:30

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw

I swear I don't do it often! Im a very good maker of tea usually!

porridgecake · 18/08/2025 11:29

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 10:15

He did not selflessly give it all up!! He is a disturbed man who now can't back down. His family chose to leave him due to his views being so extreme - he didn't "give them up". He didn't "give up work", he lost work due to the cruelty he espouses.

He left because his wife and children were being harassed, stalked and threatened by TRAs.

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 11:29

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 11:19

Given that I’m not on X I wouldn’t be retweeting anything about anyone.

I find it interesting that because I asked you for proof of something that you have declared to be true, that your response is to become abusive and have assigned actions to me that are, quite frankly, bizarre. I make my decisions on any given subject based on facts. You declared something that you insisted was factual, I asked you to provide proof and you respond in this manner. I can only assume you are so angry because you have no proof of anything.

You didn't respond simply asking for links though did you? "OK Jan.." is not asking nicely for links. To me it shows someone who would revel in the distress of others.

Do you agree that that sort of behaviour is disgusting? Do you believe it shows that it's not actually all women she wants to protect, but only certain women who match her tick list of traits she will support?

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 18/08/2025 11:27

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 11:20

That's a lot of barrel-scraping. I do wonder if anyone was complaining about any of this before JKR made her views known on transgenderism.

Not to mention that Seamus blowing things up was a movie invention. It doesn't happen in the books.

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 11:27

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:45

Yet she spends all her time on social media dividing society 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s clear this thread wasn’t started in good faith asking for actual contributions, so I’m out

The issue of whether men become woman simply by saying so would continue to be deeply divisive with or without JKR speaking out.

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 11:20

InMyShowgirlEra · 18/08/2025 11:10

Cho Chang- (if you want to ignore the fact her name is racist we can do) but a sweet, intelligent Asian girl who cries all the time (we're clearly supposed to forget that her boyfriend just died and Harry jumped right on in there) and has no other character development.

Parvati Patil becomes absorbed by divination early on, seen even in the wizarding world as a nonsense and feeding into "mystical" Asian stereotypes, and Padma just disappears. In the books, they are at least "pretty", which seems to be the only descriptor they really get, but the film undoes that because no-one could be bothered to actually dress them properly and wanted to focus to stay on Hermione.

The Irish characters (Seamus Finnigan, but also Luna after the casting decision was made and signed off explicitly by JK)- one is an idiot who is always blowing something up, the other is a lovable eccentric who believes in a wide range of conspiracy theories and would be a tin-foil hat wearer in the muggle world.

There are very few characters explicitly identified as black in the books but we do have Dean Thomas who JK has said was black although he isn't defined as such in the UK version, which is a problem in itself. He's not too bright, always in trouble and hangs out with Seamus. His Dad left him.

And Kingsley Shacklebolt...do I really need to go into why that's problematic?

Fleur is hyper-sexualised and extremely passionate.

Lavender Brown was black in the film until the filmmakers realised she had some lines, then she was recast as white!

Don't get me started on the hook-nosed, money-obsessed goblins.

As an aside, JK Rowling has explicitly confirmed that lycanthropy was a metaphor for HIV/AIDS. Apparently, likening AIDS sufferers to people who turn into uncontrollable werewolves who attack people in the night was meant to REDUCE stigma.

And finally, if you ask me a question I will answer it but if you're replying to my posts just to insult me, then you are wasting your time as I won't respond to it.

That's a lot of barrel-scraping. I do wonder if anyone was complaining about any of this before JKR made her views known on transgenderism.