This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

The difference being that it is astonishingly easy to find something racist that Stephen Yaxley Lennon said.

Yes, OK.

But look at what you posted.

You admitted that there is no way to distinguish between a trans woman and a predatory male. (Correct. Why? Because both are male people whose inner thoughts and feelings we aren't privy to.)

You said that trans women have an unfair advantage over women in sport. (Correct. Because they are male people and their thoughts and feelings don't affect their sporting performance.)

And you said that trans women's experience isn't the same as women's experience. (Again, correct.)

You say "trans women are trans women". You can't even bring yourself to say "trans women are women", because you know it's stupid.

But "trans women are trans women" doesn't mean anything, any more than "spoons are spoons" means something.

Trans women are men, it just still feels taboo to say it.

You're just a year or so behind JK Rowling in your gender critical awakening.

For the longest time, this was how Tommy Robinson's supporters defended him. For all I know, they still do. "Go on then, show me something our Tommy has said that's racist. Come on - show me! I'm waiting. You can't, can you? Because he ISN'T RACIST."

I'm not saying JK is or isn't transphobic. Just that this line of defence - she's never committed it to paper - doesn't prove anything either way, and reminds me v much of the extremely lame defences of known racists.

I'll never forget JKR effectively neutralising the Scottish government's draconian hate crime laws. The TRAs were gearing up to destroy ordinary women and she took the wind right out of their sails. What a shero.

I've never claimed to be anything, or not be anything. I have simply related a story and then answered questions.

To add to it, I support the use of language in medical situations such as "women and those with a cervix" as I think it is important to ensure that trans men still receive adequate healthcare.

Agree!

I wonder if some people think JKR ought to preface her opinions the way women are always supposed to: "I don't know if anyone else here will agree with me, and if you think I'm wrong, that's totally okay - please correct me if I misunderstood something, I'm always trying to learn! - but it does seem to me as if Nicola Sturgeon might have got a few things wrong. I'm sure she's a very nice person and I have nothing against her personally...."

We all know how that goes. If we don't sugar coat our criticism, we'll get attacked and downvoted, because we're women and women are supposed to be nice. JKR is having none of it, and why should she?

I'm not using "TERF" as a slur.

Basically the only difference between us is that you think it's mean not to pretend to believe that trans women are women.

But you don't believe they are any more than we do.

Oh name calling. Excellent.

Oh, and re the sport.

At youth and amateur level there is no more that we can do than trust people to join the correct category. There isn't the money for more than that. Luckily I haven't been faced with the situation, but if they pushed the issue, there really is nothing we could do without MASSIVE investment in amateur sports - and that isn't going to happen. The rules are clear - you race under your gender at birth, or you race in the open category.

Oh, mate.

You are a TERF in denial and you do not actually believe trans women are women.

We know what she did. She supported Forstater, she mocked language like
"people who menstruate", she stated that biological sex is real and important, she drew attention to male violence, she described [gender] as an ideology that is harmful to children, and described the term cisgender as "ideological language signifying belief in the unfalsifiable concept of gender identity." She opposes self-ID, opposed the Scottish Gender Recognition Reform Bill, and donated £70,000 to FWS. She founded a sexual assault crisis centre for women, that excludes transwomen. She opposed the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021, and deliberately misgendered several transwomen in order to test it.

She doesn't just say things, she does things. And they're all based on the existence of women as a sex class with unique political interests which are irrelevant to transwomen.

She's untouchable enough to carry on doing it, and TRAs are furious. You won't get any sense out of them here because what they call hate is just a refusal to believe in their unscientific bullshit.

HTH

I have said, repeatedly, that I don't want to post something that contains personal information, especially about the friend. That is my choice.

There is also, as far as I am aware, no way to show what has been deleted.

And as I have repeatedly said, I'm not bothered by whether you believe me or not. That is not why I posted. But the harder you all push for "proof" the less you actually have to understand that she may not be perfect. And because I don't believe she is a perfect angel, and have dared to say so, I am accused of being a liar.. any moment now someone will accuse me of "probably being a man".

As a human I can care about a cause, without worshipping everyone associated with that cause.

"She could do so much good for the nation, and she won’t."

Am also interested in this comment, which seems to go back to the expectation that she should be a magical blend of political leader and mother.

I know she had to tell people that Corbyn isn't Dumbledore, but perhaps she also needed to tell them that she isn't either.

She is only human. Is she supposed to be some kind of saint? Given the amount of hatred, vilification, death threats etc she has received on a daily basis for the crime of standing up for women, is it really surprising the milk of human kindness has soured in her a little? Would any of us react differently? Would we expect a man to forgive his slanderers seventy times seven and continue to be all sweetness and light? Let the woman be human!

As I said, I believe trans women are trans women. I think there is space for people to be able to identify as a trans woman or a trans man. Entirely separate from being a male or a female.

I don't believe the vast majority of transwomen are a threat to women. I believe, however, that predatory men are a huge threat, and they could pretend to be trans in order to make women unsafe. (caveat being there are evil, dangerous people out regardless of sex, or gender, or identity. Some people are just bad people)

I think anyone who has gone through male puberty has a natural benefit for sport, and as such, it is important to have separate categories for the majority of sports. Whatever anyone hormones level are at that moment time, puberty itself grows bone and muscle strength that isn't lost.

I believe transwomen have their own experiences, but they are not the experiences of a woman, and they should not speak for women. A trans woman who came out as an adult, for example, has not faced the sexual harassment that comes of being a teen girl. They haven't, and never will, experience bleeding every month and the stigma that comes with it. There are many experiences that are unique to being female, and that needs protecting.

But, having a friend who is over 6ft, short haired and large chested, who wears heavy make up, and isn't traditionally attractive, who has been harassed and abused many time for "being a man", I worry about the 'vigilantes' out there who feel they have the right to police the toilets. I don't think so called collateral damage is acceptable.

She can't be spending all her time there, as she still finds time to write very successful novels and to fulfill all her philanthropic commitments.

Well she clearly doesn’t spend all her time doing what you suggest as she’s spending a whole lot of time doing all the other stuff you acknowledge she does 🫤

I’ve not read the full thread but that’s where ppl are very wrong.

She’s set up a few really important charities; Lumos and also a centre for MS support in Scotland. And latterly beira’s place, for women suffering DV and sexual abuse.

You think defending women's rights and helping abused and marginalized women is a minuscule issue?

@theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw that'll learn you to use quotation marks 😁

Justteanbiscuits surely if you're born female you are female or are you referring to trans men? Who are still female. They aren't allowed in the female sporting category if they take testosterone. If you're referring to dsd's most if not all are conditions that only happen to one sex or the other, therefore it's incredibly easy to see which sex a baby is if external features aren't conclusive.
I love how there's a group of grown women on here talking about the pros and cons of Quidditch 😂

😂😂

@justteanbiscuits

Hi J K Rowling here you are a big fibber.😉

Apparently I am ‘disgusting’ because I asked for proof and just enjoy distressing people because I don’t believe things without proof 🙄