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This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

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CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

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martinirossi · 18/08/2025 19:02

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 18:57

Well, this isn't what the TRAs bang on about, is it? They couldn't care less about this stuff. All they care about is the fact she won't call them women, and she fights to keep women's stuff for women, so it doesn't change my support for her on this one issue, but then I wouldn't call myself a fan of her, to be honest. I haven't read any of her books or watched the HP films, I just agree with her on this one topic and appreciate her work in getting it more sunlight.

If the TRAs want to complain about her licensing stuff to companies that use sweatshops, then I'd be in agreement with them on that single thing.

Yes, TRA arguments can often be unhelpful and reactionary (and I say that as someone much more on the side of trans acceptance than gender criticism.) But this thread was asking for examples of why we think JK Rowling is awful, and this is mine. I think her valid points and acts of charity that her supporters on here are quick to point out are heavily negated by the fact that she is happy to profit off of this sort of stuff.

Merrymouse · 18/08/2025 19:02

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 18:59

It's like the many posters, over the years, who have assured me that humans can change biological sex, but they won't show me the evidence because they don't have time and I should look it up myself (I have, there is none) and also because I'm an evil bigot and I won't believe the science even if they present it to me ( I would if it was peer reviewed and credible)! It's a typical TRA tactic.

You would think that if true, such a ground breaking scientific discovery would have been widely announced, and the scientists involved have become famous!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 19:02

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 18:51

Thank you. I disagree with a lot of what I read on here but I understand that a lot of TRA arguments against JK Rowling are unhelpful and don't really do anything to reach a resolution. On this, however, I'd be curious to see how her supporters defend her.

It's an interesting point, and not one I'd considered before.

I don't buy from places like Primark and Shein so honestly have no idea whether they produce Harry Potter merchandise or not.

As for the films, I don't know. The Harry Potter actors are hardly the first or only kids to achieve global fame at a young age. Would you ban child actors full stop (in which case how do you represent children in live action films?) or just from doing projects like Harry Potter?

Merrymouse · 18/08/2025 19:00

AmoozzBoosh · 18/08/2025 18:33

I really don't have the time
Just look at her twitter page 🤷🏻‍♀️

Trouble is she doesn't do her cause any favours. Those who agree with her love the fact that someone is out fighting guns blazing but reason, listening and understanding is the only way to resolve the issue. Embracing the toxicity merely pushes people further into their own corners.

It's not rocket-science, it just doesn't feel invigorating.

Reason, listening and understanding and what else - interpretive dance? Mime?

At what point is it acceptable to say that trans women are men? Because, as the Supreme Court ruled, you cannot protect women's rights if 'woman' includes everyone.

I think that when people refer to this subject as toxic they generally mean 'Offensive to male egos'.

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 18:59

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 18:57

Coincidental how more than one poster who claims to have concrete proof of her being a transphobe then "hasn't got time" to find it when asked to deliver.

It's like the many posters, over the years, who have assured me that humans can change biological sex, but they won't show me the evidence because they don't have time and I should look it up myself (I have, there is none) and also because I'm an evil bigot and I won't believe the science even if they present it to me ( I would if it was peer reviewed and credible)! It's a typical TRA tactic.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 18:57

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 18:39

Something tells me any examples aren’t going to be forthcoming 🥱

Coincidental how more than one poster who claims to have concrete proof of her being a transphobe then "hasn't got time" to find it when asked to deliver.

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 18:57

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 18:51

Thank you. I disagree with a lot of what I read on here but I understand that a lot of TRA arguments against JK Rowling are unhelpful and don't really do anything to reach a resolution. On this, however, I'd be curious to see how her supporters defend her.

Well, this isn't what the TRAs bang on about, is it? They couldn't care less about this stuff. All they care about is the fact she won't call them women, and she fights to keep women's stuff for women, so it doesn't change my support for her on this one issue, but then I wouldn't call myself a fan of her, to be honest. I haven't read any of her books or watched the HP films, I just agree with her on this one topic and appreciate her work in getting it more sunlight.

If the TRAs want to complain about her licensing stuff to companies that use sweatshops, then I'd be in agreement with them on that single thing.

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 18:51

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 18:46

Those are interesting points and I wonder if she's considered them. They'd be good questions for a journalist to put to her if she ends up doing interviews about the HP TV series.

Thank you. I disagree with a lot of what I read on here but I understand that a lot of TRA arguments against JK Rowling are unhelpful and don't really do anything to reach a resolution. On this, however, I'd be curious to see how her supporters defend her.

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 18:48

OP what were you hoping for from this thread? You specifically asked JKR fans to refrain from replying. I and several others have responded in good faith with aspects of her public persona we find off-putting. These have been largely dismissed and disregarded. What's the point?

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 18:47

AmoozzBoosh · 18/08/2025 18:33

I really don't have the time
Just look at her twitter page 🤷🏻‍♀️

Trouble is she doesn't do her cause any favours. Those who agree with her love the fact that someone is out fighting guns blazing but reason, listening and understanding is the only way to resolve the issue. Embracing the toxicity merely pushes people further into their own corners.

It's not rocket-science, it just doesn't feel invigorating.

So you don’t have any, we’re just supposed to take your word for it 🙄

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 18:46

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 18:40

My biggest issue with JK Rowling is that she is happy to receive royalties from Harry Potter licensing, despite the IP often being used by the likes of Primark, Shein and H&M who have all received accusations (often very well documented) of child/underage labour.

I don't think you get to call yourself a philanthropist when you're sitting by and accepting the millions of pounds earned from hugely exploitative factory conditions.

I also find it kind of hypocritical that she continues to approve of another Harry Potter being filmed, knowing the child actors involved are making huge, life changing decisions at an age where they have no idea what kind of public and media scrutiny is in store for them. I very much doubt the young actor playing Herminone is aware of the "countdown to 18" Emma Watson received at the time, and how much that would have affected her as an individual. I've already seen racial abuse used against the poor kid.

I think people who claim to care about the rights and wellness of children, such as JK Rowling, should be coming to the conclusion that these huge, decade-long projects for child actors simply aren't ethical at this point, knowing what we know about how many child stars go on to have mental health problems. If kids who believe they're trans shouldn't be allowed to try living as the opposite gender, then child actors shouldn't be used beyond very short term projects that they can easily walk away from. I would argue both have the potential to interfere with neural pathways over a sustained period of time.

Those are interesting points and I wonder if she's considered them. They'd be good questions for a journalist to put to her if she ends up doing interviews about the HP TV series.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 18:42

AmoozzBoosh · 18/08/2025 18:33

I really don't have the time
Just look at her twitter page 🤷🏻‍♀️

Trouble is she doesn't do her cause any favours. Those who agree with her love the fact that someone is out fighting guns blazing but reason, listening and understanding is the only way to resolve the issue. Embracing the toxicity merely pushes people further into their own corners.

It's not rocket-science, it just doesn't feel invigorating.

It's not our job to prove that you didn't just commit libel. It's on you to back up the claims you make with evidence.

You can't do this for the same reason that none of her other haters can. It's not because you're all terribly busy people. It's because you're all talking shite.

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 18:40

My biggest issue with JK Rowling is that she is happy to receive royalties from Harry Potter licensing, despite the IP often being used by the likes of Primark, Shein and H&M who have all received accusations (often very well documented) of child/underage labour.

I don't think you get to call yourself a philanthropist when you're sitting by and accepting the millions of pounds earned from hugely exploitative factory conditions.

I also find it kind of hypocritical that she continues to approve of another Harry Potter being filmed, knowing the child actors involved are making huge, life changing decisions at an age where they have no idea what kind of public and media scrutiny is in store for them. I very much doubt the young actor playing Herminone is aware of the "countdown to 18" Emma Watson received at the time, and how much that would have affected her as an individual. I've already seen racial abuse used against the poor kid.

I think people who claim to care about the rights and wellness of children, such as JK Rowling, should be coming to the conclusion that these huge, decade-long projects for child actors simply aren't ethical at this point, knowing what we know about how many child stars go on to have mental health problems. If kids who believe they're trans shouldn't be allowed to try living as the opposite gender, then child actors shouldn't be used beyond very short term projects that they can easily walk away from. I would argue both have the potential to interfere with neural pathways over a sustained period of time.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 18:39

AmoozzBoosh · 18/08/2025 18:33

I really don't have the time
Just look at her twitter page 🤷🏻‍♀️

Trouble is she doesn't do her cause any favours. Those who agree with her love the fact that someone is out fighting guns blazing but reason, listening and understanding is the only way to resolve the issue. Embracing the toxicity merely pushes people further into their own corners.

It's not rocket-science, it just doesn't feel invigorating.

Something tells me any examples aren’t going to be forthcoming 🥱

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 18:39

Helleofabore · 18/08/2025 18:36

Are you supporting her being censured for reacting to male people who have history abusing her?

Because unless you can supply examples of this bullying, we can only assume that you wish to censure her for those responses to her abusers. Maybe you should check back on just who it is you are perceiving she is being' vile' to before you make the accusation.

I always find it pretty illuminating that they call her a bully (with very little evidence), but have very little to say about the scores of males (however they identify) who dish out rape and abuse threats to her on a pretty constant basis. She's even had TRA lunatics outside her home, right? Silence from the types who call her a bully.

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 18:38

AmoozzBoosh · 18/08/2025 18:26

She's shown herself to be a bully & is vile to people for no reason other than she has discovered their views may not align perfectly with hers.

Not entirely surprised, there were clues before all this.

I remember people saying this when JKR shone the spotlight on that trans-identifying male referee in the news (for being first openly trans) with one of her tweets.

She'd written: "When I was young all the football managers were straight, white, middle-aged blokes, so it’s fantastic to see how much things have changed."

Then she got lambasted, called cruel, why pick on "her", bully, etc. and so on.

But as it turns out, the guy had been in her replies for years insulting her. How about that eh.

Helleofabore · 18/08/2025 18:36

AmoozzBoosh · 18/08/2025 18:26

She's shown herself to be a bully & is vile to people for no reason other than she has discovered their views may not align perfectly with hers.

Not entirely surprised, there were clues before all this.

Are you supporting her being censured for reacting to male people who have history abusing her?

Because unless you can supply examples of this bullying, we can only assume that you wish to censure her for those responses to her abusers. Maybe you should check back on just who it is you are perceiving she is being' vile' to before you make the accusation.

Mapletree1985 · 18/08/2025 18:36

AmoozzBoosh · 18/08/2025 18:33

I really don't have the time
Just look at her twitter page 🤷🏻‍♀️

Trouble is she doesn't do her cause any favours. Those who agree with her love the fact that someone is out fighting guns blazing but reason, listening and understanding is the only way to resolve the issue. Embracing the toxicity merely pushes people further into their own corners.

It's not rocket-science, it just doesn't feel invigorating.

I wish more people wanted to listen to and understand women.

Too often it seems all the listening, all the understanding, all the accommodating, is being done by woman for men, and hardly ever vice versa.

AmoozzBoosh · 18/08/2025 18:33

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 18:29

Receipts please.

I really don't have the time
Just look at her twitter page 🤷🏻‍♀️

Trouble is she doesn't do her cause any favours. Those who agree with her love the fact that someone is out fighting guns blazing but reason, listening and understanding is the only way to resolve the issue. Embracing the toxicity merely pushes people further into their own corners.

It's not rocket-science, it just doesn't feel invigorating.

Mapletree1985 · 18/08/2025 18:32

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 18:27

Examples?

No, she hasn't.
edited to add: Sorry, I replied to the wrong person. Can I delete this?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 18:29

AmoozzBoosh · 18/08/2025 18:26

She's shown herself to be a bully & is vile to people for no reason other than she has discovered their views may not align perfectly with hers.

Not entirely surprised, there were clues before all this.

Receipts please.

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 18:28

illinivich · 18/08/2025 18:22

Theres a list of things women should be doing or thinking about rather than trans ideology.

But no one has ever said to eddie izzard, we have to cure childhood cancer before we are going to give head space to this 'susie' character.

Trans ideology is so unimportant that JKR cant even talk about it, yet become the biggest issue when david tennant does?

This is it.

"It's no trouble, I'll just use the gents. Your needs are more important. Sorry to bother you!" is something approximately none of these men who desire to be women say.

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 18:27

AmoozzBoosh · 18/08/2025 18:26

She's shown herself to be a bully & is vile to people for no reason other than she has discovered their views may not align perfectly with hers.

Not entirely surprised, there were clues before all this.

Examples?

AmoozzBoosh · 18/08/2025 18:26

She's shown herself to be a bully & is vile to people for no reason other than she has discovered their views may not align perfectly with hers.

Not entirely surprised, there were clues before all this.

illinivich · 18/08/2025 18:22

Theres a list of things women should be doing or thinking about rather than trans ideology.

But no one has ever said to eddie izzard, we have to cure childhood cancer before we are going to give head space to this 'susie' character.

Trans ideology is so unimportant that JKR cant even talk about it, yet become the biggest issue when david tennant does?