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This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

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CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

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eatfigs · 18/08/2025 20:26

https://www.yesmagazine.org/democracy/2015/01/14/harry-potter-fans-and-jk-rowling-launch-slave-free-chocolate-company

This is relevant. Chocolate, not clothing. But it shows both the direct level of control she has over the supply chain (that is, none) and that she's very willing to pressure the licensees of the HP brand to remove child and slave labour from the process.

PlainJane999 · 18/08/2025 20:25

An example of her transphobia is the marycatedelvey video she retweeted in May.

It starts with a question "Why would someone choose to be trans ?"

The person in the video responds with: "It's a "f**cking fetish Jannet", calls all trans women "porn addicted degenerates" and describes trans rights as a perverts movement.

I am sorry, but you can't call an entire segment of the population porn addicted degenerates and then claim not to have a prejudice against them.

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:24

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 20:21

Such as…

Lucy Clark for instance

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 20:23

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 20:21

Such as…

Awaits "I'm too busy to tell you this, just look on her X page" reply.

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LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 20:23

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 20:09

Yes, it is in the public arena that JK Rowling receives royalties from Harry Potter licensing. It is in the public arena that Primark, H&M etc, who have used the licensing for HP and therefore must pay royalties, have a murky history when it comes to child exploitation within their factories. It is not up to me to prove anything, I am just commenting on information widely available on the internet.

Again, I'm not sure why people on this thread are desperate to then turn the argument around and try to create an irrelevant debate. Obviously I am opposed to the things you have just listed, but what's that got to do with JK Rowling?

‘ It is not up to me to prove anything, I am just commenting on information widely available on the internet.’

Is it on Reddit? Surely you must know not all widely available information on the internet is equal? And yes, it IS up to you to prove the statements that YOU have made in regards to child exploitation.

It’s hardly irrelevant to explore your morality when you are quite happy to give us chapter and verse on the lack thereof in JKR. The two examples I used are very relevant to JKR, given how much you apparently know about her I’m surprised you don’t know that.

OldCrone · 18/08/2025 20:22

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 15:47

I have said, repeatedly, that I don't want to post something that contains personal information, especially about the friend. That is my choice.

There is also, as far as I am aware, no way to show what has been deleted.

And as I have repeatedly said, I'm not bothered by whether you believe me or not. That is not why I posted. But the harder you all push for "proof" the less you actually have to understand that she may not be perfect. And because I don't believe she is a perfect angel, and have dared to say so, I am accused of being a liar.. any moment now someone will accuse me of "probably being a man".

As a human I can care about a cause, without worshipping everyone associated with that cause.

Of course she's not perfect. Nobody is. But you seem to think she's evil incarnate just because she holds opinions that you don't share.

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:22

I was not thinking of IW particularly, no.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 20:22

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:16

Something she has done that I find bad: thrusting law-abiding members of the general public who happen to be trans into the full glare of the social media spotlight. I find that irresponsible verging on shitty. YMMV but you did ask in this thread for people's honest opinions. That's mine.

How has she done that exactly? The only known trans person I see her grappling with in the public eye is India Willoughby and they certainly seem to thrive on the attention and aren't above throwing insults around themselves.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 20:21

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:16

Something she has done that I find bad: thrusting law-abiding members of the general public who happen to be trans into the full glare of the social media spotlight. I find that irresponsible verging on shitty. YMMV but you did ask in this thread for people's honest opinions. That's mine.

Such as…

Waitwhat23 · 18/08/2025 20:19

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:16

Something she has done that I find bad: thrusting law-abiding members of the general public who happen to be trans into the full glare of the social media spotlight. I find that irresponsible verging on shitty. YMMV but you did ask in this thread for people's honest opinions. That's mine.

What, like the delight that is India Willoughby?

CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 20:18

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:16

Something she has done that I find bad: thrusting law-abiding members of the general public who happen to be trans into the full glare of the social media spotlight. I find that irresponsible verging on shitty. YMMV but you did ask in this thread for people's honest opinions. That's mine.

What sort of things do you mean?

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TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:18

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 20:14

If it is true that child labour was used to make HP-themed clothing, do you think she knew about it?

She'd be pretty thick and politically disengaged not to

Arran2024 · 18/08/2025 20:18

Slightly off topic I know but Tom Holland and Zendaya were both child actors and seem to have done ok - JKR can't be responsible for how child actors turn out, that's down to the parents. Often stage kids have difficult childhood situations - see Jennette McCurdy from I- Carly for example. And it applies in sport too - see Andre Aggassi and Stef Graf. So JKR shouldn't be held responsible for this.

Re the merchandising, well I'm sure most people buy products with dodgy origins. Mobile phone lithium batteries for starters.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 20:17

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 20:12

Hopefully it has! Doesn't change the fact that JK Rowling was, at some point in the last decade, receiving royalties from businesses engaged in the practice of child labour.

Which she no doubt used to fund wonderful things. If that’s what’s gone on. She hardly had the head’s up did she. The stretching and assumption on this thread is wild.

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:16

Something she has done that I find bad: thrusting law-abiding members of the general public who happen to be trans into the full glare of the social media spotlight. I find that irresponsible verging on shitty. YMMV but you did ask in this thread for people's honest opinions. That's mine.

CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 20:16

Had a quick skim-I’ll read properly later-but it does seem that most of the objections to JKR detailed are actually nothing at all to do with trans issues at all. Is that so?

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LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 20:14

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 20:09

A lot of bold claims but not a lot of concrete evidence to back it up, as per when it comes to JKR bashing. Her sitting back revelling in child exploitation is a new one to be fair.

More unsubstantiated ‘but this could be true’ nonsense. I love how people in glass houses love to throw stones.

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 20:14

If it is true that child labour was used to make HP-themed clothing, do you think she knew about it?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 20:13

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 20:02

Wonderful, and do you think this one Scottish company generates enough profit for Primark to buy the expensive HP licensing, or do they use their other profits from less reputable factories to put towards it?

I love that you don’t understand how businesses work, but please do carry on. I’m enjoying your morality lecture. I’m looking forward to you telling us about how you own absolutely nothing because that’s the only ethical way to behave, but if you ever have owned anything that you can trace the manufacturing data back to only completely ethical companies. Because you obviously wouldn’t come here lecturing us about JKR’s lack of ethics and not walk the walk yourself now would you? Because that would be hypocritical.

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 20:12

Hopefully it has! Doesn't change the fact that JK Rowling was, at some point in the last decade, receiving royalties from businesses engaged in the practice of child labour.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 20:12

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 20:09

Yes, it is in the public arena that JK Rowling receives royalties from Harry Potter licensing. It is in the public arena that Primark, H&M etc, who have used the licensing for HP and therefore must pay royalties, have a murky history when it comes to child exploitation within their factories. It is not up to me to prove anything, I am just commenting on information widely available on the internet.

Again, I'm not sure why people on this thread are desperate to then turn the argument around and try to create an irrelevant debate. Obviously I am opposed to the things you have just listed, but what's that got to do with JK Rowling?

How do you know that when Primark started selling HP merchandise in 2017, and that article you posted came out in 2018, she didn’t get involved?

Can you evidence that such practises still occur to this day?

goldtrap · 18/08/2025 20:10

CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 14:55

I do find it a little odd that on a thread asking for evidence of JKR being a dangerous and unpleasant person, the only things which have been evidenced are plot holes and some era-typical stereotyping in a series of fantasy books she wrote…..

I don't find it odd at all. Your original OP asked "specifically what she has said or done that is so bad."

You didn't ask for evidence of her being a 'dangerous' or 'unpleasant' person. So is this a new request, or is this whole exercise a rhetorical question?

Perhaps it's your "I'll wait" moment?

Either way, I took you at face value, but I guess my inclination now is, yes, to assume you were posting in bad faith. Still, I can't just let this thread die because "Harry's heart did beat for us, for all of us! It's not over!"

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 20:09

A lot of bold claims but not a lot of concrete evidence to back it up, as per when it comes to JKR bashing. Her sitting back revelling in child exploitation is a new one to be fair.

martinirossi · 18/08/2025 20:09

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 20:04

So you know that she directly benefits from exploitative child labour do you? You absolutely KNOW that, and can prove it? Because that sounds very like defamation to me if you don’t have the receipts.

What are your feelings about doctors who profit from removing the healthy breasts of neurodivergent teenage girls, by telling them they’re born in the wrong body? What are your feelings about the grifter lawyer who has received £4 million in donations from vulnerable people and takes frivolous cases to court that he can’t and doesn’t win?

Because if we’re going to have a debate let’s do it properly.

Yes, it is in the public arena that JK Rowling receives royalties from Harry Potter licensing. It is in the public arena that Primark, H&M etc, who have used the licensing for HP and therefore must pay royalties, have a murky history when it comes to child exploitation within their factories. It is not up to me to prove anything, I am just commenting on information widely available on the internet.

Again, I'm not sure why people on this thread are desperate to then turn the argument around and try to create an irrelevant debate. Obviously I am opposed to the things you have just listed, but what's that got to do with JK Rowling?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 20:08

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 19:45

They’re busy people, Reddit doesn’t run itself you know.

Oh of course. Silly me 🤦.