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This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

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CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

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theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 18/08/2025 21:00

I don't recall her being criticised at all before she came out in support of Maya Forstater. So I don't believe that people think she is awful because of the rules of Quidditch, or child-exploitation, or somesuch. It's because she is transphobic (=doesn't subscribe to gender ideology and thinks it is harmful).

She supported a court action which has reversed the legal 'sex change' of GRC-holders for sex-based rights purposes. So TW will be excluded from women-only facilities etc. This is a bad thing!

TRAs work backwards from this to prove that she must hate trans people and be disgusted by them, and that is why she supports this terrible thing, but they've got it wrong, of course.

Anyway, by these lights, virtually everyone here is transphobic too. I know I am.

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 20:53

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 20:51

You’ll have to look it up yourself these people are VERY busy.

😂

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 20:51

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 20:45

Which of her tweets do you think are awful?

You’ll have to look it up yourself these people are VERY busy.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 20:49

NoPrivateSpy · 18/08/2025 20:44

JKR will pay me £1m for my opinion of some of her tweets as awful? Sign me up! I know it pains you to realise some people disagree with you. And they’re not even (sshhhhh, don’t ruin the narrative!) TRAs.

🤦‍♀️

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 20:48

I think the TRAs hate Mary Kate even more than they hate JKR.

There's nothing quite like having your words repeated back to you.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 20:47

NoPrivateSpy · 18/08/2025 20:44

JKR will pay me £1m for my opinion of some of her tweets as awful? Sign me up! I know it pains you to realise some people disagree with you. And they’re not even (sshhhhh, don’t ruin the narrative!) TRAs.

The disagreement is fine. The reasoning and lack of evidence to back said reasoning is absent, never mind questionable.

Off you go then and evidence her transphobia and enjoy your £££. The last thing I’d be doing is hanging about Mumsnet when millionairedom beckons!

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 20:46

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/08/2025 20:39

Exactly. Her series is called “Listen to Trans People” and it’s just grim and misogynistic comments from TRAs on social media. Why would women want to share spaces with men like that? It doesn’t matter if they are the minority, it’s completely male pattern behaviour and that’s why female spaces need to be female only.

https://x.com/FairyForget/status/1951738080102072778

An example of the sort of raw material she reads out.

https://x.com/FairyForget/status/1951738080102072778

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 20:45

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 20:43

Fucking hell.

Literally no other words.

But JKR is the problem, hmm?

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 20:45

NoPrivateSpy · 18/08/2025 20:44

JKR will pay me £1m for my opinion of some of her tweets as awful? Sign me up! I know it pains you to realise some people disagree with you. And they’re not even (sshhhhh, don’t ruin the narrative!) TRAs.

Which of her tweets do you think are awful?

NoPrivateSpy · 18/08/2025 20:44

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/08/2025 18:01

There's a really easy way to not fail, which is to provide some evidence of JK Rowling saying something awful. There's also potentially a million quid in it for you.

JKR will pay me £1m for my opinion of some of her tweets as awful? Sign me up! I know it pains you to realise some people disagree with you. And they’re not even (sshhhhh, don’t ruin the narrative!) TRAs.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 20:43

Waitwhat23 · 18/08/2025 20:39

To demonstrate this

Fucking hell.

Literally no other words.

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 20:41

Waitwhat23 · 18/08/2025 20:39

To demonstrate this

I mean, what else are we supposed to call these men?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/08/2025 20:39

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 20:36

I had totally forgotten about this so had to Google. Glad I did as found this excellent piece. The last line is certainly true "Bullies calling their victims bullies – it’s the slipperiest trick of the new left."

Edited

DARVO - Deny attack, reverse victim and offender

Waitwhat23 · 18/08/2025 20:39

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 20:36

She's not wrong though is she. For many if not most of these men who pretend to be women, it is a porn-driven sexual fetish. Some of them, including well-known published authors and film directors, admit this outright (see: Andrea Long Chu, Lilly Wachowski).

And if you consider that "trans rights" mostly focuses of giving these men access to female spaces, and these men know very well that women and girls object to their presence, what else can you call that? It is perverse for men to want to disregard women's boundaries.

To demonstrate this

This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..
Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/08/2025 20:39

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 20:33

Yet are we going to ignore the fact that some ‘transwomen’ are extremely open about the fact that, for them, it is a fetish?

Delvey’s entire feed is quoting what ‘transwomen’ say about themselves on Reddit and similar.

Exactly. Her series is called “Listen to Trans People” and it’s just grim and misogynistic comments from TRAs on social media. Why would women want to share spaces with men like that? It doesn’t matter if they are the minority, it’s completely male pattern behaviour and that’s why female spaces need to be female only.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 20:38

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 19:48

How certain are you that Primark, H&M (do they still HP stuff) use child slave labour? A quick google shows that Primark doesn’t. From their website -

We ban the use of child labour anywhere in the Primark supply chain – it is unacceptable. This is clearly set out in the Primark Code of Conduct, which is based on standards set by the Ethical Trading Initiative (ETI) and the International Labour Organisation (ILO).
Every one of our suppliers and their factories must follow our Code of Conduct which covers areas such as pay, employment policies, the right to join a union, and health & safety – including minimum age requirements. We do a formal inspection of every factory against the Code before we will place any orders. We have our own dedicated team of 130 experts based in key sourcing countries who are responsible for more than 2,000 inspections every year. These inspections allow us to get a detailed picture of what conditions are like inside both new and approved factories and are vital in allowing us to check that our standards are being met.

Is she responsible for knock offs too? Maybe best to list what she isn’t responsible for at this stage.

She’s responsible for absolutely everything that’s bad in the world obviously, war, famine, murder, you name it, it’s all her fault. No proof required, just belief. Just like that other thing we’re supposed to believe in that doesn’t require proof, what’s it called again….?

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 20:37

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:22

I was not thinking of IW particularly, no.

Who then?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 20:37

Oh stupid link didn't work but it was Brendan O'Neill writing in The Spectator.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 20:36

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 20:27

He'd been in her replies for years insulting her. Fair game.

I had totally forgotten about this so had to Google. Glad I did as found this excellent piece. The last line is certainly true "Bullies calling their victims bullies – it’s the slipperiest trick of the new left."

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 20:36

PlainJane999 · 18/08/2025 20:25

An example of her transphobia is the marycatedelvey video she retweeted in May.

It starts with a question "Why would someone choose to be trans ?"

The person in the video responds with: "It's a "f**cking fetish Jannet", calls all trans women "porn addicted degenerates" and describes trans rights as a perverts movement.

I am sorry, but you can't call an entire segment of the population porn addicted degenerates and then claim not to have a prejudice against them.

She's not wrong though is she. For many if not most of these men who pretend to be women, it is a porn-driven sexual fetish. Some of them, including well-known published authors and film directors, admit this outright (see: Andrea Long Chu, Lilly Wachowski).

And if you consider that "trans rights" mostly focuses of giving these men access to female spaces, and these men know very well that women and girls object to their presence, what else can you call that? It is perverse for men to want to disregard women's boundaries.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/08/2025 20:35

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:24

Lucy Clark for instance

This Lucy Clark? Who had been goading JKR for years? https://nitter.poast.org/galluslass/status/1789969437627392114#m

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2025 20:33

PlainJane999 · 18/08/2025 20:25

An example of her transphobia is the marycatedelvey video she retweeted in May.

It starts with a question "Why would someone choose to be trans ?"

The person in the video responds with: "It's a "f**cking fetish Jannet", calls all trans women "porn addicted degenerates" and describes trans rights as a perverts movement.

I am sorry, but you can't call an entire segment of the population porn addicted degenerates and then claim not to have a prejudice against them.

Yet are we going to ignore the fact that some ‘transwomen’ are extremely open about the fact that, for them, it is a fetish?

Delvey’s entire feed is quoting what ‘transwomen’ say about themselves on Reddit and similar.

sanityisamyth · 18/08/2025 20:27

Igneococcus · 18/08/2025 09:05

She doesn't believe that humans can change sex.

Believing in the biological truth, the monster.

100% this. Humans CANNOT change sex. No animal can change sex. Their cells, at the moment of conception, will ALL be either XX (female) or XY (male). Removing various parts of the anatomy and/or surgically replacing them with others does not change your sex. Flooding the body with hormones usually associated with the opposite sex does not change your sex. It may enhance characteristics normally associated with the opposite sex but they are still the original sex that was determined at conception.

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 20:27

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 20:24

Lucy Clark for instance

He'd been in her replies for years insulting her. Fair game.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 20:27

CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 20:16

Had a quick skim-I’ll read properly later-but it does seem that most of the objections to JKR detailed are actually nothing at all to do with trans issues at all. Is that so?

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It seems that most of the objections are unsubstantiated nonsense.