some parallels

Handy for picnics, I believe. Or, from the smell, any corner of a castle or ancient monument that has a modicum of privacy. Or, during trans demonstrations, statues or memorials especially of suffragettes.

I'm afraid some TRAs genuinely believe we are in need of education and correction - I've seen discussed on other forums.

Personally I found this thread quite helpful, learnt a fair amount about other country's trans debates and views, a couple of book recommendations etc.

Now buggering off to think about cock cook dinner. TTFN.

Penis envy... definitely not! Horrible things all dangly and odd looking.

As an ex-Catholic I feel I need to point out that transubstantiation has a logical sort of argument that's has been set out and attempted to defend clearly.

I've yet to see anything comparable from TRA ideology - as you know I've even tried to set this out myself with no luck. So comparison feels unfair.

Transubstantiation considered both a divine mystery (so no claiming it is science) and also relates to Greek philosophy notions of substance and identity, expanded by Thomas Aquinas.

Catholics also these days don't force their beliefs on anyone: in fact other Christians are asked not to take part in communion unless it's a grave emergency.

What do you think we all have Freudian penis envy or something? 😂

I don't see anything wrong with mentioning penises when it's relevant. It is a body part.

And yet, I don’t feel and have never felt that I have to comply with the Catholic doctrine.

You were the one who started talking about penises aka male sex organs.

Nobody else until you insisted.

At this point in time I would say the Catholic church is less of a danger to children than the TQ+ lobby though.

What other group with a philosophical belief that is not based in material reality has society been emotionally manipulated into acting as if they comply with?

The Catholic Church. E pur si muove.

OP discussed them when they weaponised female people who have surgically attached tubes to their groin and what toilets they should use!

Why can OP discuss them and others are worthy of an aggressive reaction if they discuss them?

I am merely saying this for the readers at this time, because the OP simply is ignoring post upon post on this thread to continue to show how prejudiced they are.

Here is another question for you @Manfreglory

What other group with a philosophical belief that is not based in material reality has society been emotionally manipulated into acting as if they comply with?

And by this, I don't mean support those people to have that belief. I mean that society is actively being pressured through activism to act as if that group's belief is materially real.

And again, those people will be materially real, they do exist as people. I am very specifically talking about their belief about their own identity.

Please list other groups who have convinced society that their belief is based in material reality and people should therefore act as if that belief is indeed a scientific and well proven fact.

Here is a question for you @Manfreglory .

What exactly changes in a male person that you believe removes them from being at the very same risk as all other male people from committing a sex or violent crime against a female person?

To be clear. What process do they go through and what are the specific changes, in your opinion, where a group of male people with transgender identities have the same level of committing sex or violent crimes against a female person as another female person?

Please be very specific here.

If possible, please provide evidence that this process works.

And by the way, this is only addressing the safety element that is a significant issue that male people present in female single sex spaces. It doesn't address any other issue that their presence creates.

It's you that wants to make a distinction.

Yes with the penises AGAIN. Because they tend to be attached to men (apart from Mr Bobbit). Women don't have penises, and please don't start with but but but transmen again.

The transwomen who keep trying to get into women only spaces, toilets being the most frequently used of these, tends to retain their penis. Which is why a lot of women don't want those men in women only spaces.

And until man stop raping women with their very male penises men, however they would describe themselves need to stay the fuck out of women only spaces.

@Manfreglory - OMG with the penises and toilets again. If you took your mind off penises and toilets you might actually have some useful thoughts about the actual problems afflicting 2025.

Are you suggesting that the fact that men commit 98% of sexual offences, and the impossibility of telling which men would not commit such and offence, plus the fact that a higher proportion of trans-identified men are in prison for sexual offences compared with non-trans-identified male prisoners is not a reason for women to be wary about being in a space where they are vulnerable and need to preserve privacy and dignity?

Do you say this to male people who demand to access female toilets? Or just the women who disagree that those male people should access any female single sex provision?

Anyway the FWS decision by the Supreme Court has sorted out the question of single-sex spaces. In the eyes of the law, "trans women" are men in pretty much every regard.

I'm sure that threads of this type are placed here to waste people's time, so they can't go out and indulge in any useful gender-critical activities.

Well, I've put in enough time to say this, but now I'm off.

No one really gave them much thought (outside normal sexual activity with regard to penises) until transwomen of all varieties, including the fetishists and sex offenders, started invading the ladies’ loos.

So if it’s not a big deal where trans identifier males pee or change, they can use the men’s then. Like the other men do.

You understand that a penis can be used as a weapon, yes?

And if there’s real sexual attraction there, one’s partner’s penis is a lovely thing in itself.

I’m still confused by how @Manfreglory thinks a female can father a baby. They really are not sending the best and brightest these days.