Nottingham Die-In on 16 August

My views on grifters using RADAR keys are utterly utterly unprintable

jeez, I hadn't heard about the radar keys. it's very on brand for trans folx I guess.

There was a report a while back about a group of people with disabilities who were supporting the TRA cause because it's the same struggle, society treats trans people as badly as it does disabled people, both groups denied human rights, or something similar..

So their might be a group of similarly-minded disabled activists who join trans protests as a gesture of solidarity?

I'm loathe to cast doubt on the authenticity of someone's disability, but there is something undermining and worrying about trans people using accessible toilets 'because they have no choice since the SC ruling' - remember this back in April?

Ms Marsh said Ely Pride has sourced radar keys that enable access to public disabled loos, with a view to hand them out to any members of the trans community who need them at a demonstration in the city on Monday – and to roll the initiative out nationally, with conversations already ongoing with UK-wide groups, such as the UK Women’s March, for which Ms Marsh is city lead.
Trans woman to hand out disabled toilet keys as ‘emergency measure’ after Supreme Court ruling | The Independent

As a disabled person, I feel torn between thinking 'How dare anyone suggest to a disabled person that their disability isn't real? and 'How dare trans people appropriate the identity, and the hard-won accessible facilities, of disabled people?

It's ableist to question the authenticity of someone's disability, but it's also disgracefully ableist for able-bodied trans people to mis-use the Radar key system and give themselves the right to used accessible facilities which they do not need.

I don't know what to think

Are we skirting around the possibility people have been damaged by puberty blockers or other transitioning treatments?

Ok. Generally I don’t. We are talking about the unusually high representation of people using wheelchairs at a particular event though. So wondering whether some people are misinterpreting physical symptoms as dangerous isn’t unreasonable.

I suffer a chronic illness where my body misinterprets symptoms.

No. POTS is a debilitating medical condition. The inappropriately high increase in heart rate when standing is medically observable (as is the inappropriate drop in blood pressure when this is present too). Not everyone with POTS uses a wheelchair or stick but it helps some people. It's really not helpful to make generalisations that disabled people need to just try harder to not be disabled.

So perhaps it’s an extraordinary lack of resilience? That wave of lightheadedness feels overwhelming and dangerous and instead of riding it out they accept it as life limiting and disabling and take to bed/wheelchairs?

I noticed the large number of wheelchair users, now surely they would be accessing the single occupancy, completely gender neutral, accessible toilets and have been for some time so why are they protesting that they cannot access single sex toilets for the opposite sex to them?

L7 were a riot, weren't they?

😂😂😂😂

What a shower. Would be funny if some women's rights activists took advantage of them being quiet for once to have their say.

They won't though, because unlike the trans crowd, women tend to leave other people to get on with their events in peace.

On the disability thing, I knew a very severely disabled (from birth) young person- able to do very little independently, requiring a very high level of care - who had adopted a trans identity and was taking female hormones. It seemed clear to me that this young person could control so little about their own body, that "trans" was one thing they could exert some control over. It was really sad.

"Speaking to PinkNews at the protest, Anna – the longest-serving leader of Nottingham Against Transphobia – said the group wanted to hold the demonstration as “rapid reaction” to the EHRC guidance leaks.

“Up until this point they have pretended it is for safety but when it is [about] not having trans women in the men’s spaces, they are just trying to push us out of society. Exactly the same as the Nazis did all those years ago,” she said."

Every time. Sickening.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Do they “die” quietly or is there some performative preamble before they lie down and get tucked up in pink and blue blankets?

Just wondering if there was any scope interpretive dance and choreography…..maybe some tambourines?

I had POTS as a teenager and young adult. It happens on standing as your blood pressure plummets. It corrects itself though after a minute or 2. I wouldn't have thought you'd need a stick to get around because of it.

I also noticed the disproportionate number of disabled young people. I really hope it's not because of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones.

Yes, it is our culture which defines what a woman is and it tends towards the general definition, sorry lads.

Someone posted the literature they used on X. Still going on about genital inspections etc.

Apparently, ‘It is our culture that describes what a woman is …’ 🤷🏻‍♀️

A friend’s autistic DD was struggling with her health before they heard of POTS. She had bedbound days when she’d collapse, but no apparent reason for it. Lots of GP involvement.

She identified the name for it from TikTok, but had it before.

All the comorbidities are there, though.

Keir Starmer is possibly the least convincing grim reaper character mask that I can think of.

Re. wheelchairs. I read an article by Helen Joyce the other day in the Critic. This has reminded me of it

https://thecritic.co.uk/children-of-the-revolution/

It could be people harmed by 'gender affirming care' or it could be this

One sign of this is that social media has become a vector for once-rare mental and physical conditions. The craze for identifying as trans is just one example. Others include multiple personality disorder; functional movement disorder (“ticcing”); and postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, or pots — a tendency to severe dizziness upon standing that is the reason increasing numbers of young people on omnicause protests now sport walking sticks.

Or it could be a combination of things or something else entirely.

(Sorry, that was responding to @myplace's observation about the number of wheelchairs on show at the "protest"..)

Oh my days. The bathos is wonderful.

I noticed that, too. There were, at a rough estimate from the Prick News photos, about 50 people protesting, with at least 5 wheelchair users. That's surely a much higher incidence than in the general population? And yet we are told that pharmaceutical and surgical "treatments" for trans folx are absolutely safe, nothing but a boon to the people who undertake them. Didn't look like it from that sample at least.