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Nottingham Die-In on 16 August

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Greyskybluesky · 13/08/2025 16:15

Anybody?

This movement really does feed off itself in the most unhealthy way, creating paranoia, fearfulness and division.

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Chersfrozenface · 19/08/2025 12:45

SidewaysOtter · 19/08/2025 07:05

There are some national chains on that list, including Brewdog, Pitcher and Piano and Broadway cinemas.

Ones to add to the boycott list?

Well, Brewdog is in the shit anyway.

"Brewdog to close 10 pubs across UK, some 'within days'
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmw0mmxpjlo.amp

"BrewDog axed from 2,000 pubs..."
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/brewdog-beer-axed-pubs-london-b1243321.html

The Mail, for balance.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15010077/amp/BrewDog-statement-beer-axed-2-000-pubs.html

I don't think the BBC has asked a drag queen for an opinion on Brewdog, its beers or its travails.

ThreeWordHarpy · 19/08/2025 11:34

What a load of performative bolleaux. I went to uni in Nottingham back in the dark ages and it was a small c conservative place (went on a free Mandela march and there were more police than protesters). But my L&G friends (as it was then) said it was no worse or better than any other UK city for them.

Of course trans people should be able to browse and shop in peace just like everyone else. I can’t think anyone in their right mind would think any different. But by actively encouraging men into women’s single sex spaces they are signalling who they think are the most important customers. And it’s not necessarily the ones with the most disposable income.

i tell you what would impress me about a retail business - if they actively made their shop access, layout and changing rooms disabled friendly so people with a visual impairment and a guide dog or wheelchair users for example, could have the same “retail experience” as the rest of us. I am neither but even I can see little things could make a big difference. Like when I took mum shopping in M&S they had a chair by the customer services desk in the food hall so she was able to sit while they dealt with her click and collect. Such a small thing but mum always mentioned how nice it was.

RedToothBrush · 19/08/2025 10:37

SidewaysOtter · 19/08/2025 10:23

The Garden Court Chambers defence?

Yes.

The refuge of last resort.

For now.

SidewaysOtter · 19/08/2025 10:23

RedToothBrush · 19/08/2025 09:07

Wait until 'but Stonewall made me do it' mania starts to hit.

The Garden Court Chambers defence?

MarieDeGournay · 19/08/2025 09:53

'make Nottingham a city of sanctuary for transgender people for the UK'

Apart from the 🙄about the appropriation of the term 'sanctuary cities', it's interesting to see what is the main item? only item? on the agenda:
"We respect your right to use whichever facility you feel safest and most comfortable in."
Yes, as ever - toilets!
Every trans campaign seems to boil down to 'We want to pee in the women's toilet'
So 'sanctuary for transgender people' = toilets. Again. Maybe that's what the T in LGBT really stands forHmm

Women campaign for women-only spaces in general - hospital wards, prisons, rape crisis centres, changing rooms - but trans activists seem obsessed with toilets. Women's toilets, in particular, and wanting to pee in them.

All these businesses have signed up to this statement
"We respect your right to use whichever facility you feel safest and most comfortable in."
which not only deliberately contravenes the EA as reasserted by the SC, but also gives able-bodied people carte blanche to use the accessible toilets, which exist thanks to decades and decades of campaigning by disabled people.

Another great example of how 'trans inclusivity' is exclusive of other people's rights.

CinnamonCinnabar · 19/08/2025 09:49

Lins77 · 16/08/2025 19:25

On the disability thing, I knew a very severely disabled (from birth) young person- able to do very little independently, requiring a very high level of care - who had adopted a trans identity and was taking female hormones. It seemed clear to me that this young person could control so little about their own body, that "trans" was one thing they could exert some control over. It was really sad.

For someone who sounds like they have limited mobility taking oestrogen is worrying - increases the risk of blood clots (which will already be higher due to reduced mobility).

RedToothBrush · 19/08/2025 09:07

SidewaysOtter · 19/08/2025 09:00

Ah, the Stonewall caveat.

“We advise you to do this but if you get sued it’s not our fault.”

Wait until 'but Stonewall made me do it' mania starts to hit.

DomesticatedZombie · 19/08/2025 09:01

Handy.

SidewaysOtter · 19/08/2025 09:00

EmpressaurusKitty · 19/08/2025 08:15

I see they mention that it’s not legal advice, but it would be very easy to miss that bit.

Ah, the Stonewall caveat.

“We advise you to do this but if you get sued it’s not our fault.”

StormyPotatoes · 19/08/2025 08:23

Oh dear! I assumed some of these businesses would know better. I’d be interested to see what happens to complete allyship if one of the 100 was to be sued.

EmpressaurusKitty · 19/08/2025 08:15

I see they mention that it’s not legal advice, but it would be very easy to miss that bit.

BetweenTwoFerns · 19/08/2025 08:11

StormyPotatoes · 19/08/2025 07:32

I don’t quite get what the campaign actually is though. ‘Your spaces too’ just sounds like establishments won’t discriminate against trans people (rightly so), but I don’t think it follows it anyway that they’ll be breaking any laws.

Just as an aside on the topic of the ‘Rainbow Quarter’, I note there are several brands in Hockley that aren’t on the list. How do they feel about being considered a ‘rainbow’ venue on virtual of their location? Did anyone ask them I wonder? I seem to recall Sexy Mamas got in some hot bother a couple of years ago when the owner said trans women are men (or something to that effect). They cant be the only brand not thrilled about being forced included.

It’s ’more than alleyship’. It would be great if it was just that they wo t discriminate against trans people. I think that’s something that everyone wants but it isn’t just that apparently. That’s something they want to make very clear.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/08/2025 07:49

Interesting seeing businesses openly stating that they'll defy the law and discriminate against women by allowing men to share changing rooms, toilets etc.
Tanya de Grunwald (an HR commentator) has some excellent podcasts exploring this and looking at why HR has generally lost the plot and have been encouraging businesses to behave in a way that causes actual harm to themselves by pandering to trans extremism. One example with Maya F here:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt3v3Uy0SEA

StormyPotatoes · 19/08/2025 07:32

I don’t quite get what the campaign actually is though. ‘Your spaces too’ just sounds like establishments won’t discriminate against trans people (rightly so), but I don’t think it follows it anyway that they’ll be breaking any laws.

Just as an aside on the topic of the ‘Rainbow Quarter’, I note there are several brands in Hockley that aren’t on the list. How do they feel about being considered a ‘rainbow’ venue on virtual of their location? Did anyone ask them I wonder? I seem to recall Sexy Mamas got in some hot bother a couple of years ago when the owner said trans women are men (or something to that effect). They cant be the only brand not thrilled about being forced included.

SidewaysOtter · 19/08/2025 07:05

There are some national chains on that list, including Brewdog, Pitcher and Piano and Broadway cinemas.

Ones to add to the boycott list?

borntobequiet · 19/08/2025 06:57

Well, if I go to Nottingham I’ll know which businesses to avoid now.

roseyposey · 18/08/2025 11:36

RedToothBrush · 18/08/2025 09:56

Do Lucy and Yak exist beyond the city centre limits of a select number of cities? Do they deliver to places beyond the likes of Didsbury? Like Grimsby?

No. Lucy and Yak do not make clothes for people who shop in economically and socially deprived areas of the UK.

RedToothBrush · 18/08/2025 09:56

Do Lucy and Yak exist beyond the city centre limits of a select number of cities? Do they deliver to places beyond the likes of Didsbury? Like Grimsby?

borntobequiet · 18/08/2025 07:53

For some reason I thought Lucy and Yak was a pet food company, perhaps because yak is approximately the sound my cats make when they throw up.

EmpressaurusKitty · 18/08/2025 07:29

Are Lucy and Yak (or Run and Fly) the closest they can get to adult rompers?

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 18/08/2025 07:23

Honestly, you couldn't make it up, could you.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/08/2025 23:17

SidewaysOtter · 17/08/2025 15:51

Wearers of Lucy and Yak dungarees remind me of Georgia Tennant and her "You are loved" Instagram posts about trans kids <rolls eyes>

And the baby shouters at LWS Brighton, one of them was staff to Loyd Russell-Moyle MP, as he was then.

JanesLittleGirl · 17/08/2025 22:53

DomesticatedZombie · 17/08/2025 21:01

Because men aren't allowed in womens loos.

Almost. It's because men will die unless they are allowed in women's loos.

DomesticatedZombie · 17/08/2025 21:01

StellaAndCrow · 17/08/2025 13:29

I think I've missed the point of this protest.

Why are trans people dying?

Because men aren't allowed in womens loos.