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National Library of Scotland censors The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht

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OhBuggerandArse · 12/08/2025 23:46

Took it out of their centenary exhibition because the staff LGBT+ network kicked up a fuss. Craven. This really needs massive public challenge and push back - if the National Library isn't able to fend off the censors we are utterly lost. https://x.com/EthelWrites/status/1955390550494023958

https://x.com/EthelWrites/status/1955390550494023958

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lcakethereforeIam · 30/08/2025 17:24

Questions and answers at the end! What's the betting questions will have to be submitted and read out by the host.

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MarieDeGournay · 30/08/2025 11:20

I'm glad the pressure is being kept on NLS, they are probably hoping it will all blow over..

Although the Index on Censorship statement was weak, it is worth remembering that it clearly said
The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht made the cut with four votes. It was the only title (as far as we know) excluded from the display after qualifying. That’s not an impartial act of curation. It’s a deliberate exception. [my emphasis]

and their headline said
The National Library of Scotland: When curation becomes censorship

so the 'defence' that it wasn't WWWW wasn't 'censored' it was just 'not included', because there is [allegedly] a copy available in the Library, was rejected by the IonC in their otherwise wishy-washy statement - they called it censorship, so that's the accusation the NLS have to answer.

I got my copy of WWWW from Kenny's of Galway Online Bookshop, a bargain at €13.60!
The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht - Susan Dalgety - 9781408720721

Reading it with so many mixed emotions - a lot of anger, but a lot of admiration and gratitude too.💚💜

giuspeace · 29/08/2025 14:30

I am due a response to my complaint on 4th September. I'll be demonstrating outside Holyrood on that date (Women Won't Wait) so might just pop in to NLS to ask about progress.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 29/08/2025 14:25

I expect they're counting the complaints and trying to decide WTF to say because the clock is ticking. They're supposed to respond to second-stage complaints within 20 days. Keep'em coming!

Went in today and was pleased to see some cards about TWWW still there frm a few days ago (including one of mine!) And a lovely card from TWWW editors.

National Library of Scotland censors The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht
National Library of Scotland censors The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht
National Library of Scotland censors The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht
user1471471849 · 29/08/2025 14:12

StanfreyPock · 29/08/2025 14:09

Judging by the mighty silence the NLS is still firmly in its bunker, eyes tight shut and fingers in its ears, wondering if they've all gone away yet. No chance!

Well, I've just put in a complaint about the treatment of the book and authors as I hadn't done so before. I'm interested to see what they will say.

StanfreyPock · 29/08/2025 14:09

Judging by the mighty silence the NLS is still firmly in its bunker, eyes tight shut and fingers in its ears, wondering if they've all gone away yet. No chance!

user1471471849 · 29/08/2025 13:50

I'm halfway through this fantastic book and I'd urge everyone to buy a copy. The irony of it being cancelled by the NLS!
The women telling the stories were so brave in standing up for themselves and standing up for the truth. It's giving me a bit more confidence and strength to speak out when I need to. I have done in the past, and had some fallout but nothing like the mass abuse these women put up with. I'm hoping as many people as possible will read it.
Has there been any update on the NLS situation?

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 26/08/2025 07:54

And thanks to everyone who's putting in complaints. The library don't have to count the cards but I'm sure they keep track of how many formal complaints they receive. And they've sent the same response to these complaints so it should be easy to count them and count how many have been escalated to stage 2.

ArabellaScott · 25/08/2025 21:37

I absolutely bloody love that the signs keep reappearing. Thank you to the women for polite persistence and resistance. And thanks Amaryllis and WaterThyme for reports.

Tomorrow I'll escalate my complaint.

WaterThyme · 25/08/2025 21:13

A friend and I popped in with our copies today and had them on the table while we were in the cafe. One woman came over to ask where we got them. Another asked what this was all about. In the display area, a man and a woman remarked positively as I put up a card in support of TWWWW. The woman said how much the Sandie Peggie case had raised awareness at her work.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 25/08/2025 20:44

Popped into the NLS today. Sorry the book still wasn't there but Happy Birthday anyway Susan Dalgety. ❤

National Library of Scotland censors The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht
National Library of Scotland censors The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht
AmaryllisNightAndDay · 25/08/2025 17:28

user1471471849 · 25/08/2025 15:51

My copy just arrived in the post. Yay! Looking forward to reading it. I wonder if the NLS have found a copy yet!

Enjoy! What the women went through is a hard read in places though.

NotAtMyAge · 25/08/2025 16:49

user1471471849 · 25/08/2025 15:51

My copy just arrived in the post. Yay! Looking forward to reading it. I wonder if the NLS have found a copy yet!

It's a great book and not a hateful word in it.

user1471471849 · 25/08/2025 15:51

My copy just arrived in the post. Yay! Looking forward to reading it. I wonder if the NLS have found a copy yet!

DuesToTheDirt · 24/08/2025 10:18

It's great publicity for them though - both for sales, and for raising awareness of the silencing of women. It shows exactly why this book is needed.

I am completely unaware of any of the other books in the exhibition.

ArabellaScott · 24/08/2025 08:17

Thanks, Amaryllis! Appreciate your efforts.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 24/08/2025 08:13

ArabellaScott · 24/08/2025 06:51

Well, in case there wasn't already enough clear evidence of the NLS' discrimination, they are helpfully providing repeated illustrations.

For anyone who is visiting, please do document and timestamp all this. And thanks!

There isn't space to keep many cards up, and the ones they leave over time are kids' ones and ones that say good things about books / libraries / the library which is the main purpose of the two displays.They remove all the TWWWW cards and most of the pink'n'blue ideology ones as well as many others leaving plenty of space for new ones. Either they bin them or they must have an impressive collection! Anyway if we keep putting up more they'll know this wont go away.

I've been in most days over the last week and put up a card or two each time. I haven't always taken pictures though, I wont be in often in future but will try to remember to photograph when I do.

AsTreesWalking · 24/08/2025 07:31

"More to the point, why are people who are so into libraries incapable of actually reading?"
The says it all, really. It's all reaction, no reflection.

ArabellaScott · 24/08/2025 06:51

PhilOPastry62 · 23/08/2025 21:23

The cards supporting TWWWW have been removed, presumably for the safety of staff who might evaporate if they come across them unawares.
https://x.com/LWDScotland/status/1959218414783811837

Well, in case there wasn't already enough clear evidence of the NLS' discrimination, they are helpfully providing repeated illustrations.

For anyone who is visiting, please do document and timestamp all this. And thanks!

PhilOPastry62 · 23/08/2025 21:51

INeedAPensieve · 23/08/2025 21:50

It seems the trans love heart one has also been removed. God, why can't they just see how pig headed they are being about this??? Just bloody let different views and different books be displayed!

Exactly, it's so flippin' childish and precious.

INeedAPensieve · 23/08/2025 21:50

PhilOPastry62 · 23/08/2025 21:23

The cards supporting TWWWW have been removed, presumably for the safety of staff who might evaporate if they come across them unawares.
https://x.com/LWDScotland/status/1959218414783811837

It seems the trans love heart one has also been removed. God, why can't they just see how pig headed they are being about this??? Just bloody let different views and different books be displayed!

PhilOPastry62 · 23/08/2025 21:23

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 23/08/2025 07:53

Some cards from their wall

The cards supporting TWWWW have been removed, presumably for the safety of staff who might evaporate if they come across them unawares.
https://x.com/LWDScotland/status/1959218414783811837

https://x.com/LWDScotland/status/1959218414783811837

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 23/08/2025 07:53

Some cards from their wall

National Library of Scotland censors The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht
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