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National Library of Scotland censors The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht

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OhBuggerandArse · 12/08/2025 23:46

Took it out of their centenary exhibition because the staff LGBT+ network kicked up a fuss. Craven. This really needs massive public challenge and push back - if the National Library isn't able to fend off the censors we are utterly lost. https://x.com/EthelWrites/status/1955390550494023958

https://x.com/EthelWrites/status/1955390550494023958

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user1471471849 · 13/08/2025 20:20

It's unbelievable that the National library have censored this book. I'm constantly flabbergasted at people's inability to think critically and their sheep-like actions. I'm going to buy the book now and enjoy it because it's such a breath of fresh air to hear some common sense and see how these brave women stood up for themselves and for women's rights.

I'm finding myself getting very depressed at the state of the world and this issue in particular but reading the posts on this section of mumsnet gives me hope, so thank you to everyone here for being awesome!

SinnerBoy · 13/08/2025 20:10

It really is ridiculous, isn't it? TWWWW is very likely to be a unique effort in collaboration. A group of disparate women amateurs, (yet far from amateurish) producing such a collection and in such a short time. Surely it's worthy of being included in a historical collection, for the Scottish Nation?

Angelabdc · 13/08/2025 19:46

OhBuggerandArse · 13/08/2025 08:24

I would encourage letters (be careful to keep the tone such that they can't be accused of being abusive or aggressive) to the National Librarian, Amina Shah, to express our concerns. I won't post her email, but the NLS has a standard format for email addresses - [email protected]

If anyone can come up with an email address for the Chair of the National Library Board, Sir Drummond Bone, who is said to have signed off on the decision, I'd be really grateful.

Drummond Bone was my tutor in English Lit at Glasgow Uni in the 1980s. He was unimpressed by my cool boho Doc Martens and eyeliner student vibe. He cultivated an image based on his hero, Lord Byron and never let a seminar end without a quote from "Don Ju-ann" (heaven forfend if you used the Spanish pronunciation "Don Whan" by mistake. Sorry, I have nothing more useful to add.

ArabellaScott · 13/08/2025 19:40

This is so sad. The NLS are a fantastic organisation in many ways.

I'll be writing to express my disappointment and dismay.

ArmchairXpert · 13/08/2025 19:30

IwantToRetire · 13/08/2025 01:45

Not sure I have grasped the story if full but seriously when is this madness going to end.

It is the National Library of Scotland. And I am sure many in Scotland have different ideas etc., about Scotland.

Are any of them throwing hissy fits because a book is included that has opinions they dont like?

Of all places you shouldn't be working is a library if you dont believe in the right to express opinions and ideas, let alone biological fact.

Their irrational ideas that they set the rules has got to be challenged and ignored.

It is scary, isn't it? Bloody puritans.

NotAtMyAge · 13/08/2025 19:26

I just saw this post on X from someone who says she works at the National Library of Scotland. They didn't even have a hard copy of TWWWW until yesterday, only the e-book:

https://x.com/22carrots/status/1955673461554282643

https://x.com/22carrots/status/1955673461554282643

NeverOneBiscuit · 13/08/2025 19:20

Which one’s Bungle?

I agree that they’re all Bungle, with a side order of Zippy thrown in to reflect the attempt at silencing GC voices 🤐

DontWheeshtMe · 13/08/2025 19:12

giuspeace · 13/08/2025 17:41

I felt a post card coming on and found a nice one of Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht which I sent to the NLS and I've completed a complaints form.
I do hope the sales of WWWW increase.

I hadn’t bought it so popped into my local Waterstones and got one today. They were on the shelves you’ll all be pleased to hear. I turned it around front and centre 😎

SirChenjins · 13/08/2025 19:12

And Summerhall's reaction to Kate Forbes speaking at their (publicly funded to a large extent) venue. BBC Scotland being kept busy by the 🌈 🤡 tonight.

ErrolTheDragon · 13/08/2025 19:10

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2025 17:14

Which one is Bungle?

Which one isn’t?!

RayonSunrise · 13/08/2025 19:09

Amazing to see this emerge right on the heels of all the NHS Fife coverage in the Scottish press. You couldn’t have timed it better for press interest.

SinnerBoy · 13/08/2025 19:06

Comparable to racist, homophobic hate speech, they say? And not, as per Maya's court win, legally protected free speech a d entirely WORIADS? Well, i wonder if WWWW fancy an easy day in court?

It has to be direct discrimination, hasn't it?

NeverOneBiscuit · 13/08/2025 18:22

That internal correspondence gained through FOI is very eye opening.

Clearly at least one person knew it was correct to include the book. However you can feel the pressure growing, with all the usual cliches appearing, about hate speech, possible protests, feeling unsafe, harm.

The section that considers the negative consequences of its inclusion upon the LGBT community also considers the consequences of its exclusion to the gender critical ‘community’. They’re exactly the same. Funnily enough the LGBT group win the day, because of the hate speech lie, that they’re apparently a vulnerable group (🙄🙄) blah blah.

Hilarious that they were worried about reputational damage if they included the book. FAFO.

SirChenjins · 13/08/2025 18:03

I would say it's unbelievable, but it's yet another example of censorship and men's rights overriding those of women .

A clear protest is needed here - a network of GC are needed to place multiple copies of the book back on the open shelves, with some disguised as other books so the rainbow fuckers won't be able to spot them.

MarieDeGournay · 13/08/2025 17:52

OhBuggerandArse · 13/08/2025 15:48

Herald article which incorporates some of the material in the FOI responses. https://archive.is/LfFRy

One of the comments on the article is a gem:
'Ms Shah, you no longer have a reputation to protect'.

Reminiscent of 'Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy'Smile

giuspeace · 13/08/2025 17:41

I felt a post card coming on and found a nice one of Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht which I sent to the NLS and I've completed a complaints form.
I do hope the sales of WWWW increase.

ditalini · 13/08/2025 17:20

It continues to be a concern that the LGBTQ flavour of rabble rousers are being rewarded for bad behaviour by the establishment. Getting what they want as soon as they make a fuss.

I've no doubt that AS weighed up the likelihood of media coverage of the resulting protests from both sides and decided that the staff group would make the most noise (and do the least work while they were at it).

Shame on her. I knew her years ago but she had a spine then.

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2025 17:14

NeverOneBiscuit · 13/08/2025 17:05

What a pathetically weak ideology that’s threatened by a book.

No doubt they’ll include Sturgeons rewriting of history memoir in future if it gets enough votes.

Seriously, if you’re a paid employee of an organisation who feels unsafe due to the proximity of a book, you should be told to get a grip, not indulged & pandered to.

’Safe’ - another word mangled & misappropriated by the Rainbow gang.

Which one is Bungle?

NeverOneBiscuit · 13/08/2025 17:05

What a pathetically weak ideology that’s threatened by a book.

No doubt they’ll include Sturgeons rewriting of history memoir in future if it gets enough votes.

Seriously, if you’re a paid employee of an organisation who feels unsafe due to the proximity of a book, you should be told to get a grip, not indulged & pandered to.

’Safe’ - another word mangled & misappropriated by the Rainbow gang.

Conxis · 13/08/2025 16:50

Susan Dalgety on bbc radio Scotland now

Conxis · 13/08/2025 16:49

I’d like to see the staff network sued.
These networks should be held accountable

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2025 16:42

BundleBoogie · 13/08/2025 16:38

Wow! How many taxpayer funded hours have these feeble minded dolts wasted on this ridiculous censorship?

And they think they are the good guys? What an embarrassment.

We need a proper answer from them about that exactly they dislike from the content of the book and how that justified this absolute circus. We need paragraph by paragraph which bits they argue are ‘harmful’ to staff and ‘hate speech’. Is it the account from a lesbian? Or an abused woman?

This has the potential to get very embarrassing for them, very quickly.

"So which extract do you have most problem with?"

"Could you show us your internal policies on Equality"

"How would you deal with a gender critical woman in your workplace"

BundleBoogie · 13/08/2025 16:38

OhBuggerandArse · 13/08/2025 13:46

Wow. Here is the NLS correspondence that was revealed through FOIs. https://ethelwrites.com/censorship-the-women-who-wouldnt-wheesht-and-the-national-library-of-scotland/

Wow! How many taxpayer funded hours have these feeble minded dolts wasted on this ridiculous censorship?

And they think they are the good guys? What an embarrassment.

We need a proper answer from them about that exactly they dislike from the content of the book and how that justified this absolute circus. We need paragraph by paragraph which bits they argue are ‘harmful’ to staff and ‘hate speech’. Is it the account from a lesbian? Or an abused woman?

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2025 16:38

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/08/2025 16:23

From the Herald

"..... I would be interested to know what would have happened if a democratic selection had included a non-fiction work advocating for racist, homophobic, or other discriminatory and exclusionary viewpoints."

The hyperhystria in this is off the charts, the book is about the 'lived experience' of many women, from Scotland, 'lived experience' is something they oh so passionate about, but only if it's their over the top fantasy 'experience', real experience does mean squat to them. 🤬

How is it even relevant?!

Ultimately this is a book about the exclusion of women being denied their lawful rights and how they fought for them against the government and the press and various other organisations who were misrepresenting the law and discriminating against them.

It's a pro-womens right book.

It's others (who haven't even read it) who describe it as anti-trans and full of hate.

If they want to misrepresent it as the authors being the same as being racist etc I'm sure that's that's legally challengeable ...

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 13/08/2025 16:30

To be fair, according to the FOIs their initial EDI process decided that NLS should include the book. It was only when the LGBTQ+ network got shirty that they changed their minds. So the problem wasn't the EDI policy, it was more about who made the biggest fuss and who threatened them.

Letting a staff network hold you to ransom is not good management.