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National Library of Scotland censors The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht

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OhBuggerandArse · 12/08/2025 23:46

Took it out of their centenary exhibition because the staff LGBT+ network kicked up a fuss. Craven. This really needs massive public challenge and push back - if the National Library isn't able to fend off the censors we are utterly lost. https://x.com/EthelWrites/status/1955390550494023958

https://x.com/EthelWrites/status/1955390550494023958

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WarriorN · 15/08/2025 08:03

yes.

so it was censored.

when libraries start censoring based on equalities criteria and exclude a significant portion of that criteria, there are significant issues

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 15/08/2025 07:51

Christinapple · 15/08/2025 00:02

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25387374.national-library-scotland-responds-claim-banned-book/

False news and ragebait.

The book has not been "banned" or "censored".

"The other 323 books – one of which was The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht – were placed on shelves in an open reading room, according to the National Library."

The book was banned from the exhibition despite meeting the criteria (number of votes) for automatic inclusion and after passing an EqIA and sensitivity reading.

Just keeping the facts straight.

WarriorN · 15/08/2025 07:36

Christinapple · 15/08/2025 00:02

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25387374.national-library-scotland-responds-claim-banned-book/

False news and ragebait.

The book has not been "banned" or "censored".

"The other 323 books – one of which was The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht – were placed on shelves in an open reading room, according to the National Library."

As a member of staff at the library and many on Twitter have pointed out, the library didn’t own a physical copy of the book to put on any shelf, and as of yesterday it still hadnt arrived when someone panic ordered it.

So that’s a bit of fake news int’it.

WarriorN · 15/08/2025 06:55

NLSformerstaff · 14/08/2025 16:45

Name changed for this; I know NLS inside out. Be in no doubt, the stakeholders that they are so scared of are their paymasters, the Scottish Government. Also, believe me when I say the vast majority of the staff are normally very supportive of Amina Shah, who has been a transformative and thoughtful boss, and those staff deplore the actions of the tiny faction who have backed her into a corner on this issue by threatening disruptive action.

These issues will continue to happen in the Scottish public sector unless and until the Scottish Government holds its hands up and says it was wrong to impose Stonewall law throughout the sector. It seems unlikely that will happen any time soon, unfortunately.

that’s terrible, truly state authoritarianism

SinnerBoy · 15/08/2025 05:11

Christinapple · Today 00:02

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25387374.national-library-scotland-responds-claim-banned-book/

Laura Webster's lies about the ban have already been discussed and proved with documentation. Why are you continuing to propagate them?

Waitwhat23 · 15/08/2025 04:32

Christinapple · 15/08/2025 00:02

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25387374.national-library-scotland-responds-claim-banned-book/

False news and ragebait.

The book has not been "banned" or "censored".

"The other 323 books – one of which was The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht – were placed on shelves in an open reading room, according to the National Library."

Oh Chrissy,
Well, you came
and you posted without reading,
The rest of the thread.
Oh Chrissy,
Well, you came
And you posted that shit article
But The National's a joke
Oh Chrissy....

(Dammit, now I've got an earworm for the rest of the day)

sashh · 15/08/2025 03:16

DontWheeshtMe · 14/08/2025 12:29

I don’t do X
Whats in the video ?

A bloke pretending to be a woman telling the 'truth' that WWWW is in the library for anyone to read and that it was one of 200 rejected oh and some bla bla about 'anti trans views' in the book.

The usual guff.

DontWheeshtMe · 15/08/2025 01:35

Just noticed sales have gone up on the book
I’ve also ordered Volume 2 of Boiledbeetles ( and mumsnetters !) book ( 100% of profits go to support women's charities ).

‘Today a reader, tomorrow a leader’ - Margaret Fuller

National Library of Scotland censors The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht
DontWheeshtMe · 15/08/2025 01:14

Vogt · 14/08/2025 23:02

It can take a while - it needs to go to the ALDL first and they have a backlog, then they distribute to the libraries so a long delay is not unusual as it then needs to be catalogued.

Waterstones isn’t far

DontWheeshtMe · 15/08/2025 01:13

lanadelgrey · 14/08/2025 23:19

I look forward to a flash mob of claws (calmly law abiding women) sitting in the NLS quietly reading their copies. I’m very far from Edinburgh and don’t know the building but there are presumably chairs, benches, cafes that can be sat on for the purpose?

I’m looking forward to action against the Library on censorship, freedom of speech and discrimination.

There will also of course be the issue of Government funding of an institution that does not uphold its own values and those of all Libraries.

and yes. The flash mob would be a highlight too lana

Christinapple · 15/08/2025 00:02

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25387374.national-library-scotland-responds-claim-banned-book/

False news and ragebait.

The book has not been "banned" or "censored".

"The other 323 books – one of which was The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht – were placed on shelves in an open reading room, according to the National Library."

National Library of Scotland debunks claim it 'banned' gender-critical book

THE National Library of Scotland has dismissed claims it “banned” a book written by gender-critical campaigners ...

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25387374.national-library-scotland-responds-claim-banned-book/

lanadelgrey · 14/08/2025 23:19

I look forward to a flash mob of claws (calmly law abiding women) sitting in the NLS quietly reading their copies. I’m very far from Edinburgh and don’t know the building but there are presumably chairs, benches, cafes that can be sat on for the purpose?

Vogt · 14/08/2025 23:02

It can take a while - it needs to go to the ALDL first and they have a backlog, then they distribute to the libraries so a long delay is not unusual as it then needs to be catalogued.

NotAtMyAge · 14/08/2025 22:40

SinnerBoy · 14/08/2025 22:22

IcyJoMarch · Today 12:28

Email from Alison Stevenson, 2 June 2025:
As the Legal Deposit copy of the book has been caught up in the processing backlog caused by the British Library cyber-attack,

Please, Sir! The dog ate my homework, I mean the budgie, sorry, my Nan died tomorrow!

Acquisitions placed an order for a print copy last week and this will be available in the Reading Room by the time the exhibition opens.

Quick, go to Waterstones! Or maybe one of those horrid GC termagants will drop one off?

The book was published five months before the British Library cyber-attack. How long does it take legal deposit copies to reach the six copyright libraries in the country?

SinnerBoy · 14/08/2025 22:22

IcyJoMarch · Today 12:28

Email from Alison Stevenson, 2 June 2025:
As the Legal Deposit copy of the book has been caught up in the processing backlog caused by the British Library cyber-attack,

Please, Sir! The dog ate my homework, I mean the budgie, sorry, my Nan died tomorrow!

Acquisitions placed an order for a print copy last week and this will be available in the Reading Room by the time the exhibition opens.

Quick, go to Waterstones! Or maybe one of those horrid GC termagants will drop one off?

ArabellaScott · 14/08/2025 21:58

The email trail is so chilling. You can watch the process unfold bit by bit - a library sacrificing all of its principles and then congratulating itself for being progressive.

ArabellaScott · 14/08/2025 21:46

women need to shut up etc etc.

That old chestnut. Works every time.

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BettyBooper · 14/08/2025 21:26

Just saw that JKR had reposted a guy's witty comment about TWWWW on X. I'm actually really 😬 about the responses.

So many saying the book wasn't banned, transphobes, bigots, women need to shut up etc etc.

https://x.com/euanmccolm/status/1955958416771371328

Bit depressing tbh.

https://x.com/euanmccolm/status/1955958416771371328

Waitwhat23 · 14/08/2025 21:11

ArabellaScott · 14/08/2025 20:58

The guy that did a song version?

Lord, I hope not.

ArabellaScott · 14/08/2025 20:58

Waitwhat23 · 14/08/2025 20:54

It'd been bugging me since I saw it - you know what that video strongly reminds me of? Does anyone else remember that odious video from a couple of years ago made by a TIM who was 'educating' lesbians that they were bigots if they refused to have sex with transwomen. Same vibe - condescending tone, head tilt, smug smile. Obviously not the same person but very much an 'educating the unbelievers' sort of similarity.

I suppose the National and it's editor are this multiverse's version of Constable Visit-The-Infidel-With-Explanatory-Pamphlets.

The guy that did a song version?

Waitwhat23 · 14/08/2025 20:54

fromorbit · 14/08/2025 12:14

The National's editor attempt to cover up for the NLS censoring a book by lying about what happened is attracting attention. Their video defaming rge editors of the book is being called out.

Susan Dalgety
https://x.com/DalgetySusan/status/1955910314655912424

Morning LauraEWebsterr
any chance you or someone from your team could edit this video as it is misleading at best, at worst defamatory as it claims LucyHunterB
and I lied about our book being removed from the National Library’s exhibition. An apology would be welcome too. Thanks.
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Lucy Hunter Blackburn
Oh I say, I think this is defamatory. I mean, properly, clearly.

It'd been bugging me since I saw it - you know what that video strongly reminds me of? Does anyone else remember that odious video from a couple of years ago made by a TIM who was 'educating' lesbians that they were bigots if they refused to have sex with transwomen. Same vibe - condescending tone, head tilt, smug smile. Obviously not the same person but very much an 'educating the unbelievers' sort of similarity.

I suppose the National and it's editor are this multiverse's version of Constable Visit-The-Infidel-With-Explanatory-Pamphlets.

DontWheeshtMe · 14/08/2025 20:44

ArabellaScott · 14/08/2025 20:42

Luckily, women aren't likely to make an almighty fuss or pick up media coverage.

They might make a fuss

They won’t get as much positive media coverage

ArabellaScott · 14/08/2025 20:42

Luckily, women aren't likely to make an almighty fuss or pick up media coverage.

ditalini · 14/08/2025 20:10

DontWheeshtMe · 14/08/2025 17:38

Reading the FOIs it sounds like Shah has been the driving force behind the ban

She's definitely made the decision, reversing her initial instinct to include it, but she's probably made a correct calculation that there would be comparatively less hassle and bad publicity this way than the other.

I have no doubt that the blue hair bunch would have made an almighty fuss, picketed the exhibition, picked up media coverage far more widely and had Barr, Mcdermid & Cummings coming out with supportive words.

Still cowardice, but she'll likely still have her job this way and probably not have to make any humiliating apologies. I hope I'm proven wrong.

fromorbit · 14/08/2025 18:40

Sales of the book have shot up. Banning books doesn't work.

Lucy Hunter Blackburn

We donate all royalties from the book to organisations helping women silenced elsewhere in the world. So one good thing comes of the National Library of Scotland's censorious behaviour. We've just shot up the sales charts. So well done there, at least,

https://x.com/LucyHunterB

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