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National Library of Scotland censors The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht

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OhBuggerandArse · 12/08/2025 23:46

Took it out of their centenary exhibition because the staff LGBT+ network kicked up a fuss. Craven. This really needs massive public challenge and push back - if the National Library isn't able to fend off the censors we are utterly lost. https://x.com/EthelWrites/status/1955390550494023958

https://x.com/EthelWrites/status/1955390550494023958

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RedToothBrush · 16/08/2025 08:31

NLSformerstaff · 16/08/2025 00:40

This is a major development in this story, a very clear indication that there are “stakeholders” who were simply not considered when this decision was taken. It’s also true, as the article reports, that the more sensible staff are only able to discuss these issues sotto voce, but in that respect they are just like the vast majority of people working in the public sector in Scotland. People know that they risk ostracism, possible arrest, and loss of livelihood if they speak the truth aloud.

Indeed.

It's very embarrassing and this nonsense of not wanting to piss off the stakeholders now starts to look shaky.

Which stakeholders were they worried about?

They need to tell us.

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 16/08/2025 08:27

Blimey Alex Graham isn't pulling his punches is he? I wonder if he'll be next in line for some classic TRA bullying or maybe because he's a man with a lot of power, money & influence they'll be unaccountably silent

article is spot on as well about how senior managers in the public sector seem to be so easily bullied by young activist staff. What is that all about?? How have ppl who are tough enough to have climbed ti the very top so easy cowed by a bunch of 20 somethings with exploratory haircuts?? (I admit I'm assuming scout the hair cuts) even now when they could just mea culpa & put the book back they haven't. Ads the 20 somethings also armed with grenades??

OhBuggerandArse · 16/08/2025 08:22

And here's a link with the text of their letter https://x.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1956611890672435654

https://x.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1956611890672435654

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OhBuggerandArse · 16/08/2025 08:22

Sex Matters is on the case: https://archive.is/yFkih

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ArabellaScott · 16/08/2025 08:17

'Graham added: “This is not about taking one side or the other on the trans debate. It’s about the principles of open debate and free speech, which to the national library should be sacrosanct.'

Graham really gets it. Thank goodness. Many excellent points made, particularly the one about the whole point of the exhibition being a representation of the general public's choices, not a display curated by staff.

sashh · 16/08/2025 08:15

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If you are the person who said that they had to order it or go out and buy it I would ask MNHQ to remove your last post, it is too easy to make the connection.

NLSformerstaff · 16/08/2025 08:12

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You’ve been very brave. 💐
The little bullies are atrocious.

WarriorN · 16/08/2025 08:05

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yes that is very rich, I’m sorry you’re being put through this authoritarian process.

sophiecygnet · 16/08/2025 08:01

Full page in Scottish Edition of Times. A key donor to the NLS is VERY critical.
In both edition is an article by Sarah Ditum about Nicola. Not positive.

Igneococcus · 16/08/2025 07:57

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Ah ok.
It would seem like madness to go after GC staff members but so many people in these roles also seem to be mad enough to do it.

VoleForceOne · 16/08/2025 07:51

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LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 16/08/2025 07:47

BeeSourianteAgain · 16/08/2025 06:30

It's kinda fun that the people who are obsessively trying to remove a marginalised demographic are complaining about being "censored" because people a dreadful gaslighting book that few care about is not being put in an exhibition.

'Gender critical' activists truly are some of the most embarrassingly over-privileged people

Blah blah blah

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Igneococcus · 16/08/2025 06:30

What other platform @VoleForceOne

borntobequiet · 16/08/2025 06:30

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Perhaps one for JKR’s fund were they to persist in bullying you (which I very much hope they don’t).

BeeSourianteAgain · 16/08/2025 06:30

It's kinda fun that the people who are obsessively trying to remove a marginalised demographic are complaining about being "censored" because people a dreadful gaslighting book that few care about is not being put in an exhibition.

'Gender critical' activists truly are some of the most embarrassingly over-privileged people

VoleForceOne · 16/08/2025 06:13

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sashh · 16/08/2025 03:32

I have a reply.

Thank you for your enquiry.
You are welcome to visit the library during your break.
Everyone is welcome at any of our buildings, irrespective of who they are and we look forward to welcoming you on your visit
You can visit our exhibitions without joining and can ask for a fast pass to view our reading rooms. You can also join and you will have to bring ID to get a Library Card. If you register with a residential address in Scotland you can get remote access to some of our eResources, Anyone can visit our reading rooms and access this book as well as the 200 other titles that were not selected for display. A full list of those publications is available as part of the exhibition.
Libraries are vital places where people can access all kinds of publications for free and form their own opinions.”
Please note that this book is in use to a reader at the moment and they can have it on reserve for six working days. After this it can be swapped to another requester. To access material in our library you would have to join and bring ID to get a Library Card
I can't comment further, but for more information you are welcome to speak to Barbara Burke, Head of Media and External Relations. Barbara’s phone number is 447904 791002.
You can also email the address is [email protected].
If you want to make an official complaint the address is [email protected]

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IwantToRetire · 16/08/2025 01:01

for those who are fed up with archive.ph making you confirm something or other the archive.is url doesn't.

So link for article https://archive.is/XRhoI

NLSformerstaff · 16/08/2025 00:40

This is a major development in this story, a very clear indication that there are “stakeholders” who were simply not considered when this decision was taken. It’s also true, as the article reports, that the more sensible staff are only able to discuss these issues sotto voce, but in that respect they are just like the vast majority of people working in the public sector in Scotland. People know that they risk ostracism, possible arrest, and loss of livelihood if they speak the truth aloud.

lcakethereforeIam · 15/08/2025 23:34

Archive link for the above

https://archive.ph/XRhoI

This is an AI overview of section 28

Section 28 of the Local Government Act 1988, a controversial piece of legislation in the UK, prohibited local authorities from "promoting homosexuality". This meant they couldn't intentionally teach about, or publish material that promoted, homosexuality, including in schools. The law was repealed in Scotland in 2000 and in England and Wales in 2003.

Hauntingly familiar.

Section Wahhh! the act of cowing to activist staff is a tiresomely familiar piece of gutlessness in the UK, prohibiting anyone from 'promoting biological reality'. This means they/them couldn't intentionally approve of or show material that promoted 'biological reality', JKR, GC belief, people suspected of being or associating with TERFs, etc., including libraries, theatres, restaurants, films, radio, newspapers, social media, thoughts, prayers, books, hospitals, courtrooms, pubs, toilets, changing rooms, etc. It's apparently endless and is said to be kind.

OhBuggerandArse · 15/08/2025 23:13

Oooh this is interesting. www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/alex-graham-national-library-scotland-women-wouldnt-wheesht-gw8jfl7c8

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littlbrowndog · 15/08/2025 22:42

I have complained 2 to them await a reply

giuspeace · 15/08/2025 21:31

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 15/08/2025 16:36

How did you complain? I sent a nice polite email to the chief librarian/CEO but she hasn't replied yet. Too busy I expect.

Filled in the complaint form on their "Contact Us" page: https://www.nls.uk/contact/

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