Sturgeon accuses JK of toxic trans debate

but a lot of you hate Sturgeon, take cheap shots and then somehow think you've the upper hand and are cutely hilarious.

You know, I agree with you. I was a bit of a dick there. I genuinely do apologise. I'm not a nasty person and I was needlessly snarky.

Give it a rest. Im not playing anymore.

Congratulations on you instantaneous miraculous road to damascus epiphany.

If only we all were as virtuous and amazing as you the world would be a better place.

Good grief. Thank you to the people who read my comments and accepted my apology for being a bit snarky at first. Ive done my best to reflect, I've done my best to clarify my thoughts and some of you have asked genuine questions which have been thought provoking. But I feel some posters are enjoying twisting the knife in.

I don't know. I suppose I just dont like the personal attacks. It makes no sense because I wouldn't feel the same way about a Putin tshirt so I know its just some strange emotional response to it! I actually really respect Rowlings arguments and she can be so witty and succinct so it just felt a little bit off. I really am trying to think through my responses and thank you for asking in a polite way. I promise im not a snob, I'm not anti feminist and I am not someone who goes out to be offensive despite what some have painted me as. At least I've tried to think about what ive said and have accepted my shortcomings.

I explained it fully.

HTH.

Have we? And you're speaking on behalf of who? Good grief! I'm not a snob in any way and here's you with the name calling! Once again I have not criticised JKR's opinions at all. Just the way she went about sharing them on this particular occasion I think did little for her cause. Just like you can disagree with me but calling me a snob is not a well thought out argument. Ive been accused of not arguing for both sides but that wasn't what was being talked about. I made a single point. You can disagree. But I have said nothing that's rude or judgemental to anyone on here and calling me a snob which i still cannot quite work out) is just poor manners. I apologised for my snarky tone when I realisd it came across that way. Will you bother to?

Maybe she has a kink for self-humiliation...

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Sturgeon is an absolute joke. If only women had warned her, over and over, louder and louder, in clear and unambiguous terms, exactly what the problems with the trans demands were...

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What is it about the t-shirt logo that offended you? What in your opinion would have been a more appropriate way to protest when you think back to the climate of the day in Scotland? I'm trying to understand your point.do you think political leaders should be off limits when it comes to the decisions they make that affect the nation?

I'm sorry but I just don't believe it's a sincere apology!

But you then blamed US for making the debate toxic!!!!

So there's the initial comment AND THEN the one blaming us for the tone of the debate.

Perhaps you'd like to apologise for both.

You know, I agree with you. I was a bit of a dick there. I genuinely do apologise. I'm not a nasty person and I was needlessly snarky.

The problem with your later posts claiming you are respectful and have been the undeserving recipient of 'unpleasant responses', Gofaster2023, is that if you showed this post of yours to 100 random members of the public and asked them to say if they felt it was polite, balanced, reasonable, or if it displayed antipathy towards the 'a lot of you' it addressed, I think most neutral observers would think accusations of hatred, 'cheap shots' and 'you think you are cutely hilarious' have a definite edge.

Which is OK, 'robust debate' and all that. But the later innocent 'why-are-you-starting-an-argument-and-being-unpleasant-to-me attitude sits awkwardly alongside this post.

Is 'cutely hilarious' the new 'you are so sexy when you are angry'?

I'm one myself, only without the destiny and the contradictions, so I think I'm in a position to say that JKR's t-shirt would have been understood as "classy" by a wee working class, state school, council estate kid from Ayrshire.

Not the next Owen Jones?

Well we've already established that's because you are being a snob about it.

Honestly I’ve watched an interview with Bonnie Blue today and Bonnie actually used less attempts at misogynistic, non feminist, goady, rage bait comments to excuse her complete male centric activities than Nicola used. I think Nicola is angling to be the next Katie Hopkins.

@Gofaster2023 You called us "cutely hilarious". Did you think that was intelligent or classy? Or merely demeaning?

And you are entitled to your opinion but given what women have faced in this “debate” I think it lifts the spirits of the troops as it were

Again! I am not arguing against anything! Like if your child punched a bully, I'd still say it's not the best way to deal with it, even if I deep down thought they had it coming. Can you literally not see that I am simply saying I didnt agree with her actions? Im not talking about anyone else's actions, im not playing tit for tat. I just dont think it was a great choice.