Just say the Terfs were right. It is quicker.
Julie Bindel
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Julie Etchingham: You became unstuck on the questions about the transgender prisoner, the rapist Isla Bryson. Why couldn't you answer that question?
Nicola Sturgeon: I think I was caught up in the...
Julie Etchingham: Will you answer it now, whether you believe Isla Bryson was a man?
Nicola Sturgeon: Isla Bryson identified as a woman. I think what I would say now is anybody who commits the most heinous male crime against women probably forfeits the right to be, you know, the gender of their choice.
Julie Etchingham: They forfeit to be the gender of their choice?
Nicola Sturgeon: Sorry, that's quite...
Julie Etchingham: I mean, this actually goes to the heart of the difficulty around this.
Nicola Sturgeon: That probably was not the best phrase to use. They forfeit their right to be the gender of their choice. If you rape a woman, then I think you probably... The debate about whether they should be called a woman or not, probably...
Julie Etchingham: Well, why don't you simply say that Isla Bryson is a biological male?
Nicola Sturgeon: They are a biological male, but that's about whether it gets back into the self-ID thing. I should have been much more straightforward. I wasn't. We'd lost all sense of rationality in this debate. I'm partly responsible for that. I should have been much more straightforward. I wasn't.
Julie Etchingham: And in a deeply personal moment, Nicola Sturgeon talks about her sexuality. Thank you.