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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Single sex spaces

332 replies

piloswi · 08/08/2025 15:02

I’m confused with single sex spaces and trans people and what people want.

My understanding is everyone must use the single sex space of their biological sex (I might be wrong). This is only spoken about in terms of trans women now having to use men’s toilets, etc. But this means trans men must use women’s toilets. So someone who looks like a man but biologically isn’t but mostly (imo) you can’t really tell with trans men whereas you often can with trans women.

Is this what the majority want? Surely if people are worried about ‘predatory men’ pretending to be a trans woman to use single sex spaces then they could equally claim to be a trans man as you can’t really ask them to prove it can you?

I guess I’m just wondering if I’m missing the point the point? Are the majority happy with this? I’ve seen posts of people being very happy with the ruling but only have spoken about trans women.

I don’t want this to be a trans bashing thread. Just would like to know what people would like to see as their ideal for single sex spaces while still respecting people

OP posts:
Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 18:19

Boiledbeetle · 08/08/2025 18:17

from the internet

The female reproductive system consists of both internal and external organs, including the ovaries, uterus, vagina, and vulva, each playing crucial roles in reproduction and hormonal regulation

Internal Reproductive Organs

Ovaries: These are two small glands that produce eggs (ova) and hormones such as estrogen and progesterone. They are located on either side of the uterus.

Uterus: A hollow, muscular organ where a fertilized egg implants and develops during pregnancy. The uterus has a lining called the endometrium, which thickens and sheds during the menstrual cycle.

Vagina: A muscular tube that connects the external genitals to the uterus. It serves multiple functions, including the passage for menstrual fluid, the birth canal during childbirth, and the receptacle for the penis during sexual intercourse.

Uterine Tubes (Fallopian Tubes): These tubes extend from the uterus to the ovaries and are the site where fertilization typically occurs. They transport the egg from the ovary to the uterus.

External Reproductive Organs (Vulva)
Mons Pubis: The rounded area of fatty tissue located above the pubic bone, typically covered with pubic hair.

Labia Majora: The outer folds of skin that protect the other external reproductive organs. They enclose and protect the labia minora and the vaginal opening.

Labia Minora: The inner folds of skin located within the labia majora. They surround the vaginal opening and urethra and are sensitive to stimulation.

Clitoris: A small, sensitive protrusion located at the top of the labia minora, which is highly sensitive and plays a significant role in sexual arousal.

Vaginal Opening: The entrance to the vagina, which allows for menstrual fluid to exit the body and serves as the birth canal during delivery.

Hymen: A thin membrane that partially covers the vaginal opening in some individuals, which can be stretched or torn during various activities, including sexual intercourse or tampon use.

Additional Structures

Bartholin’s Glands: Located on either side of the vaginal opening, these glands secrete fluid that helps lubricate the vagina during sexual arousal.

Skene’s Glands: Located near the urethra, these glands may contribute to lubrication and are sometimes associated with female ejaculation.
Understanding these parts and their functions is essential for recognizing the complexities of the female reproductive system and its role in overall health and reproduction.

So no, being born without a uterus, cervix or ovaries definitely DOES NOT mean you don't have a reproductive system. You are just missing some bits of it.

Just missing the absolutely necessary reproductive bits 👍🏾

Annoyedone · 08/08/2025 18:18

I’m still giggling at “no human organ
has a set purpose” 😂😂😂😂.

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 18:17

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 18:16

Didn’t expect you to trip over a rhetorical question 🙂

I see. So, you are here to 'gotcha' people.

Thanks for admitting what I suspected all along.

Boiledbeetle · 08/08/2025 18:17

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 18:09

People who are deaf have ears you're right. Being born without a uterus, cervix or ovaries definitely means you don't have a reproductive system.

from the internet

The female reproductive system consists of both internal and external organs, including the ovaries, uterus, vagina, and vulva, each playing crucial roles in reproduction and hormonal regulation

Internal Reproductive Organs

Ovaries: These are two small glands that produce eggs (ova) and hormones such as estrogen and progesterone. They are located on either side of the uterus.

Uterus: A hollow, muscular organ where a fertilized egg implants and develops during pregnancy. The uterus has a lining called the endometrium, which thickens and sheds during the menstrual cycle.

Vagina: A muscular tube that connects the external genitals to the uterus. It serves multiple functions, including the passage for menstrual fluid, the birth canal during childbirth, and the receptacle for the penis during sexual intercourse.

Uterine Tubes (Fallopian Tubes): These tubes extend from the uterus to the ovaries and are the site where fertilization typically occurs. They transport the egg from the ovary to the uterus.

External Reproductive Organs (Vulva)
Mons Pubis: The rounded area of fatty tissue located above the pubic bone, typically covered with pubic hair.

Labia Majora: The outer folds of skin that protect the other external reproductive organs. They enclose and protect the labia minora and the vaginal opening.

Labia Minora: The inner folds of skin located within the labia majora. They surround the vaginal opening and urethra and are sensitive to stimulation.

Clitoris: A small, sensitive protrusion located at the top of the labia minora, which is highly sensitive and plays a significant role in sexual arousal.

Vaginal Opening: The entrance to the vagina, which allows for menstrual fluid to exit the body and serves as the birth canal during delivery.

Hymen: A thin membrane that partially covers the vaginal opening in some individuals, which can be stretched or torn during various activities, including sexual intercourse or tampon use.

Additional Structures

Bartholin’s Glands: Located on either side of the vaginal opening, these glands secrete fluid that helps lubricate the vagina during sexual arousal.

Skene’s Glands: Located near the urethra, these glands may contribute to lubrication and are sometimes associated with female ejaculation.
Understanding these parts and their functions is essential for recognizing the complexities of the female reproductive system and its role in overall health and reproduction.

So no, being born without a uterus, cervix or ovaries definitely DOES NOT mean you don't have a reproductive system. You are just missing some bits of it.

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 18:17

SadSadTimes · 08/08/2025 18:14

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Yes. I am going to stop now as the poster's fuckwittery is ongoing and there is no intention of engaging with the topic at hand by them.

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 18:16

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 18:09

You tell me. You were the one who started with this fuckwittery.

Didn’t expect you to trip over a rhetorical question 🙂

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2025 18:15

This entire argument is an attempt to force team the idea that men who get extreme cosmetic surgery are like women who have vaginas and therefore the same. All whilst feigning offense to women who have genetic disorders or who are infertile.

This argument has suddenly appeared in The Bingo in the last week or two as a way to insist transwomen who have surgery should still be classed as female.

I'm sick to death of it.

We can see it from outer space.

WithSilverBells · 08/08/2025 18:15

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 18:09

People who are deaf have ears you're right. Being born without a uterus, cervix or ovaries definitely means you don't have a reproductive system.

You can have ears but a non-functioning auditory system.
Women can have a vagina but a non-functioning reproductive system.

Men cannot have a vagina. They can have a blind hole. There are quite a few online calling it a fuckhole

SadSadTimes · 08/08/2025 18:14

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Single sex spaces
Haulage · 08/08/2025 18:13

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 18:00

There's biological females that have to do this, it sounds like your knowledge on different people's anatomy's is the one lacking.

I can tell you that women whose vaginas aren’t attached to a cervix are no more likely to need to dilate than women whose vagina is attached to a cervix.

I think you’re absolutely disgusting to try to use women like me as a way to argue that men should be allowed to access provision intended for women.

edit: for editing’s sake

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 18:13

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 18:08

Am I leveraging it or am I calling you out for talking about women's bodies in a really crude (and misogynistic?) way while describing calling their anatomy and their treatments a vagina as inherently misogynistic?

And here it is again:

Some of the context that you seem to have ignored:

Today 15:54

It is incredible that some people have been led to believe that calling a blind cavity surgically inserted into a male groin is in any way a ‘vagina’.
That is seriously misogynistic. It dismisses the functions of a vagina except for one. It reduces a vagina to a fuckable hole.

Imagine posting supporting that vaginas are just fuckable holes on a feminist board.

Today 15:59

Do you understand for instance how misogynistic it is to call a cavity inserted into male person’s groin a vagina when it only serves the purpose of being or resembling a fuckhole ? You are posting on a feminist board, do you think you can address the misogynistic view you just posted?

Today 16:12

What is the purpose of this inserted cavity again?

There is NO purpose other than to be a fuckhole or to represent a fuckhole if it is even usable. Do you understand what we are saying? Or are you programmed to believe in falsehoods.

Just because a female person might have a similar process doesn’t make it a ‘vagina’ when inserted into male body. A female person’s
reconstructive surgery is just that, replacing a body part. Not creating a false one. A female reconstruction has other body mechanisms to support it including a vulva and a cervix and a uterus etc.

And what a shame that the posts that I was replying to where the poster was calling the cavities inserted into male people's groins 'vaginas' have been deleted.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 08/08/2025 18:10

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 18:05

What's the function of it in bio females with this anatomy? Given you're saying the function makes it's a fuckhole because it can't serve this other purpose you won't describe that would make it a vagina?

Are you saying that a woman who has had reconstructive surgery because of a problem with her vagina has the same anatomy as a man who has had a penile inversion, or a neovagina constructed from colon material? I've certainly never heard of a woman with a prostate, for example.

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 18:09

Merrymouse · 08/08/2025 18:08

It absolutely is. There are many reasons why a woman would be infertile, but it doesn't change what a vagina is.

Similarly people who are completely deaf have ears for exactly the same reason as people with perfect hearing.

People who are deaf have ears you're right. Being born without a uterus, cervix or ovaries definitely means you don't have a reproductive system.

Needspaceforlego · 08/08/2025 18:09

piloswi · 08/08/2025 15:17

I genuinely don’t care. I’m happy for trans women to use women spaces. But I do understand why some people might not want that.

I was just curious what people thought regarding trans men as I’ve not seen it mentioned

You might be happy at this point in time to share single sex spaces with the opposite sex, but their might come a time in your life when actually you don't feel comfortable with it.

Either as you age, not quite so sure of your body as you are now or you see someone being a bit 'shady' around your kids.

The laws are there for a reason. There are reasons why we dont have unisex hospital wards, prisons, army barracks, changing rooms.

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 18:09

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 18:08

Am I leveraging it or am I calling you out for talking about women's bodies in a really crude (and misogynistic?) way while describing calling their anatomy and their treatments a vagina as inherently misogynistic?

You tell me. You were the one who started with this fuckwittery.

wipebored · 08/08/2025 18:08

Transmen are not a threat to men, as they are female, honestly most are clearly identifiable as female irl just as most transwomen are identifiable as male irl.

The main issue to me is that males who identify as women stick to the spaces of their own biological space i.e. the male toilets, changing rooms and so on. This is because women (real women) require single sex spaces an the basis of their biology, the needs and vulnerabilities that only females have.

Its very clear, its going to be illegal for males who identify as women to use women's single sex spaces, from now on they need to use the male spaces as they are indeed male.

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 18:08

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 18:01

"A purpose in the way you describe, absolutely can and has."

In your usage of the word.

"The only possible function of a blind vagina on a biological female would be this same crude "purpose" then?"

Why are you leveraging female medical conditions to force the acceptance of using the words for female body parts for a male person's extreme body modification?

I really think your telling people they are supporting misogyny is both hypocritical and projection.

Am I leveraging it or am I calling you out for talking about women's bodies in a really crude (and misogynistic?) way while describing calling their anatomy and their treatments a vagina as inherently misogynistic?

Merrymouse · 08/08/2025 18:08

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:55

It's absolutely not when a female is born without a uterus,vagina or ovaries. Is it inherently misogynistic for them to call it a vagina instead of a fuckhole?

It absolutely is. There are many reasons why a woman would be infertile, but it doesn't change what a vagina is.

Similarly people who are completely deaf have ears for exactly the same reason as people with perfect hearing.

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 18:07

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 18:05

What's the function of it in bio females with this anatomy? Given you're saying the function makes it's a fuckhole because it can't serve this other purpose you won't describe that would make it a vagina?

I think it is time you answered the question.

I have spend considerable time answering your questions and addressing your fuckwittery.

Can you please state the 'function' of a cavity that has been inserted into a male body?

And then maybe you can answer what Teal refused to answer. Why is a male person's extreme body modification relevant to their access into female single sex spaces?

Let's discuss it in relation to the actual topic at hand.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 08/08/2025 18:07

notevencharging · 08/08/2025 17:59

Whilst I agree that a lot more trans men pass as men than trans women pass as women…I don’t think men would A. Notice or B. Care if trans men used their toilets, as they’re no threat.
Trans women going in women’s toilets is a different thing altogether.
I have every confidence that I can spot a trans identifying male a mile off - and I think the point is that if they keep going in the women’s toilets, they can get into trouble for it. Organisations will have to make sure if they offer single sex spaces they don’t turn a blind eye to trans identifying males going in the ladies.

I might well not notice a fairly convincingly passing transman, but I can assure you that I would notice some transmen! And I would be, I think, somewhat uncomfortable if I was using a urinal, but not frightened.

Menier · 08/08/2025 18:07

I don’t feel any threat whatsoever from Trans men and as far as I am concerned they are welcome in women’s single sex spaces.

JanesLittleGirl · 08/08/2025 18:07

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:49

I think we all know what for, which is why I don't think it's very nice to describe those women's anatomy as crudely as a "fuckhole" because it's surgical and doesn't have this mythical extra purpose

Ah! Now your posts about women with blind vaginas that need dilation to stay open make sense. You're talking about trans women.

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 18:05

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:39

So why was it such an unserious question?

And yet, it is only by someone claiming that male people with cavities inserted into their groin have 'vaginas' that someone is reducing female body parts to 'fuckholes'.

You're the only one calling that identical anatomy and treatment a fuckholes because they don't have this other "purpose" that vaginas have which you still won't describe?

Some of the context that you seem to have ignored:

Today 15:54

It is incredible that some people have been led to believe that calling a blind cavity surgically inserted into a male groin is in any way a ‘vagina’.
That is seriously misogynistic. It dismisses the functions of a vagina except for one. It reduces a vagina to a fuckable hole.

Imagine posting supporting that vaginas are just fuckable holes on a feminist board.

Today 15:59

Do you understand for instance how misogynistic it is to call a cavity inserted into male person’s groin a vagina when it only serves the purpose of being or resembling a fuckhole ? You are posting on a feminist board, do you think you can address the misogynistic view you just posted?

Today 16:12

What is the purpose of this inserted cavity again?

There is NO purpose other than to be a fuckhole or to represent a fuckhole if it is even usable. Do you understand what we are saying? Or are you programmed to believe in falsehoods.

Just because a female person might have a similar process doesn’t make it a ‘vagina’ when inserted into male body. A female person’s reconstructive surgery is just that, replacing a body part. Not creating a false one. A female reconstruction has other body mechanisms to support it including a vulva and a cervix and a uterus etc.

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 18:05

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 17:56

Well.... isn't it a pity that the post it was directly answering which was about male body parts has been deleted.

Keeping trying to twist what was said out of the context that it was said in.

Again, I was very specific that it was in reply only to the labelling of a male person's surgically added cavity as a vagina.

"And what is this identical anatomy called on biological females given apparently not serving this purpose makes it a fuck hole?"

I am happy to keep repeating it. As can be read in my previous posts, if a female person has a vagina reconstruction, it is a vagina reconstruction.

Can you please state the 'function' of a cavity that has been inserted into a male body?

What's the function of it in bio females with this anatomy? Given you're saying the function makes it's a fuckhole because it can't serve this other purpose you won't describe that would make it a vagina?

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2025 18:05

Annoyedone · 08/08/2025 17:59

Errr ummmmm. That’s the most batshit thing I’ve heard all day. Each and every body part has a purpose. Like the head has the purpose if pumping blood around the body. The liver and kidneys have the purpose of filtering waste.

Humans no longer have tails.

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