Single sex spaces

It is incredible that some people have been led to believe that calling a blind cavity surgically inserted into a male groin is in any way a ‘vagina’.

That is seriously misogynistic. It dismisses the functions of a vagina except for one. It reduces a vagina to a fuckable hole.

Imagine posting supporting that vaginas are just fuckable holes on a feminist board.

The point is you are supposed to change people's minds! Bring an argument! Make the case! We want to hear it!!

Don't just say 'oh you're all so nasty' and run off!

Thats not a vagina. It's an open wound. Don't use incorrect terms for things.

Also - a man without a penis, is still a man.

oh come on, trans men are still women and I’d argue are safer using female spaces, you don’t hear much from trans men on this whole subject really, it’s the men who are stamping their feet

no men have vaginas either hth

So, you cannot answer questions about your own beliefs and just wanted to shame others?

Ok. Good to know.

And yes. Even the trans people that are in my life have some negative impact on others. Even though they don’t intend to.

Please tell us why someone’s philosophical belief about themselves that doesn’t reflect material reality should be supported by changes in society such as access to single sex provisions not meant for them and language ? Can you tell us what other philosophical beliefs get this special treatment where society is expected to fully support that belief?

If trans women (who are male) don't want to share a bathroom with men, then why the hell would you think that any biological woman would want to?

FFS, they don't get a vagina through "bottom surgery".

My brother claims he is a woman and has had his penis surgically inverted into a man made crevice. He does not have a vagina. This is 15 years ago, he is still readily recognisable as a man.

Please do not use the word 'cis'.

You sound somewhat naive.

thank you for the opportunity to share facts

1. the vast majority of TW (over 90%) do not cut off of the penis and have it inverted into a hole that has to be regularly dilated to stop it closing (I refuse to use the euphemism 'bottom surgery"
2. the vast majority of TW do not pass beyond the world of filtered photos
3. i assume you think trans ppl are incapable of obeying the law and will deliberately go into the toilets they're not supposed to
4. being 'misgendered' is actually not literal violence or the worst thing that can happen to someone despite the transperbole

I have several ‘trans people’ in my life. Your posts simply keep getting things wrong.

No, because all trans people are not biologically male.

A male person without a penis and testicles is still a male person.

A cavity surgically inserted in a male groin is just a cavity surgically inserted in a male groin.

Female people are highly likely to correctly identify a male person’s correct sex by observation and interaction. Tall women are not tall male people. Tall women do not have male body cues such as hips, gait, skeletal proportions and facial cues.

If you cannot correctly identify a person’s sex, please don’t assume that your experience is the universal experience. It is not.

This is only spoken about in terms of trans women now having to use men’s toilets, etc.

Um, no it isn't.

No one has changed sex. Toilet and changing room provision has always been segregated by sex for safeguarding and privacy and dignity.

People can have whatever identities they want, but it doesn’t change their sex and it doesn’t change which space they are meant to use. If they choose not to use that space, it never meant they should use the opposite sex space. If they choose to not use the space for their sex, they need to find an alternative solution.

If ‘just living their lives’ means negatively impacting other people because of their own decisions, that is not ‘just living their lives’ at all. That is them making undue demands on others to support them.

If a male person doesn’t want to use a male space, they need to address that without accessing female single sex provisions.

HTH

Reciting a mantra doesn't make it come true!
You are delusional if you think you can change your sex

Women dont want men in their spaces for privacy and safety reasons

I don't give a fuck if they're trying to peer at my cunt or not

TW are men, they can go in the men's loos or unisex loos, they are not women and don't belong in women's spaces

I don't think transwomen want to share a bathroom with men either

I suggest they campaign for their own toilets then, and figure a way to keep the other men out.

Gosh they're really working hard on reddit to fill up our bingo cards today

transmen are women and despite the "aha!! Would you want to share your space with this?? Brandishes photo of muscular bearded man eh? Ehhhh?" attempted gotcha 1. Trans men are women so why would I be worried about them? 2 in reality as opposed to posed filtered photos most TM are short with small hands and feet and curved obviously female hips 3. If a TM is desperate to piss in men's toilets that's for men to sort out

Rolling out the trans men again I see, to make a TW point.

Just digging out my bingo card...

“Is this what the majority want? Surely if people are worried about ‘predatory men’ pretending to be a trans woman to use single sex spaces then they could equally claim to be a trans man as you can’t really ask them to prove it can you?”

This seems to be recycled weaponising of trans men from other parts of the internet.

Female transgender people have spent years discussing this with us here that they already understand that their presence in the female single sex space may cause distress. So they make great effort to plan their outings to find suitable alternatives for their needs. They do this using a variety of methods, including specific web sites for that purpose.

All of a sudden though, those female people have been weaponised as some kind of sick gotcha by a group of male people who hate being told ‘no’. And other people have amplified those male voices above female voices. As has been the pattern forever.