Single sex spaces

I've seen. Sadly this is one of those things you can't unsee.

You cannot reasonably just redefine words to suit yourself. If I said that sulphuric acid is water, and offered you a glass of water, would you drink it?

...they're just trying to live their lives...

Was the 6'4" and very muscular trans woman wearing tiny yellow shorts, heels and a purple crop top who stood using the basin next to me in the ladies' toilets "just trying to live his life" or was he actually all about giving a big "fuck you" to the Supreme Court judgement and to any woman who didn't want him in their space?

He was the very embodiment of misogyny and male entitlement.

Moob not moon.

A vagina is a flexible, self-lubricating tube of muscle that links the uterus, via the cervix, to the outside world.

An inverted penis goes nowhere and does nothing.

If you think fucking a hole that has to be dilated to keep it closing is the same as fucking a real vagina I can only assume you've never had sex

What is the purpose of this inserted cavity again?

There is NO purpose other than to be a fuckhole or to represent a fuckhole if it is even usable. Do you understand what we are saying? Or are you programmed to believe in falsehoods.

Just because a female person might have a similar process doesn’t make it a ‘vagina’ when inserted into male body. A female person’s reconstructive surgery is just that, replacing a body part. Not creating a false one. A female reconstruction has other body mechanisms to support it including a vulva and a cervix and a uterus etc.

You are really deep in philosophical theory if you believe that a female reconstructive surgery and an extreme body modification in a male body is the same.

It also is irrelevant to the topic of the thread. If a male person has extreme body modifications, they still should not be accessing female single sex provisions. And it also would be cruel to demand that any male who wanted that access needs to undergo such extreme body modifications.

No! Should be sufficient to mean they should not enter.

The blind hole is not even in the same place as a vagina!

If people reliably passed as the opposite sex, single sex services would never have got off the ground.

If TW passed and no one knows they are male, they wouldnt be making a fuss about this ruling, they'd just stay quiet and carry on using female spaces.

They wouldn't be talking about women who want to be men, or tall women, or men pretending to be women who want to be men. Or the concept of 'living as a woman '.

But they have to talk whataboutary because they know they stand out, because of the way they look, or act.

Are you on glue?

are you seriously comparing female genital surgery to men electing to chop off their dicks and create a hole?

“what if they've had bottom surgery (they have a vagina), HRT and are indistinguishable from a cis woman?”

Here is the misogyny again.

Just because a male person has breasts derived from HRT, a surgically inserted blind cavity in their groin, opted to get their penis and testicles removed and take large quantities of estrogen and maybe even some progesterone, they are indistinguishable from female people ?

well… for a start.. thanks to all the ‘moon’ protests, those male breasts look like breasts development on a male body. Just growing breasts doesn’t make them indistinguishable from female bodies.

It is like some people really don’t understand physiology but post crap like this to support their beliefs.

Not too tired to repeat the lie on an M&S thread that the person who approached the 14 year old was not trans just tall though, right?

We are here for you. Tell us why women should allow men who claim to be women in their single sex spaces.

Transmen are men, transwomen are women

The highest court in the land said otherwise. Keep up.

People should use single sex spaces aligned to their sex.

Regarding the Trans Men red herring, I am of course quite happy for another women, regardless of how she chooses to present, to use women’s spaces.

In my experience up close it’s not difficult to tell who is a woman, based on physical size, gait, and skin.

A woman with a beard, still mostly looks like a woman IRL.

A particularly tall, gender non conforming woman, might get a second glance, but that is usually enough to correctly identify her sex.

Well, you seem to be tired as you are using tired old trope to support your position.

Do you think maybe you could take the time to use logic and fact based evidence to support your position? Rather than philosophical theory and emotional reasoning / manipulation?

Do you understand for instance how misogynistic it is to call a cavity inserted into male person’s groin a vagina when it only serves the purpose of being or resembling a fuckhole ? You are posting on a feminist board, do you think you can address the misogynistic view you just posted?

Not as tired as we are of this nonsense.

Make up, clothes, hormones and extreme surgery do not alter the underlying anatomy. Women tend to be very accurate sexing someone based in their outline or how they walk - it’s a necessary survival instinct.

A solid argument would change people's minds. But there isn't one.

I am tired too and so are a lot of other women. Tired of having to justify our spaces.

The transmen I know are obviously female. Most of them are, even when they have stubble/beards. They are generally shorter, have narrow shoulders and walk with a female pelvis. I am happy to share spaces with them because they are female.

But, regardless of what I think, those transmen themselves have told me that they prefer to use female or gender neutral facilities. They don't want to use the mens.

Yes I for one would choose to share a changing room/toilet etc with a trans man rather than a trans woman because

1. trans men are women
2. cases of women sexually assaulting other women are virtually unheard of
3. if a trans man decided to attack me they are likely to be a similar size to me so I have a fair chance of fighting them off

"indistinguishable"

<Rolls eyes>