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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Single sex spaces

332 replies

piloswi · 08/08/2025 15:02

I’m confused with single sex spaces and trans people and what people want.

My understanding is everyone must use the single sex space of their biological sex (I might be wrong). This is only spoken about in terms of trans women now having to use men’s toilets, etc. But this means trans men must use women’s toilets. So someone who looks like a man but biologically isn’t but mostly (imo) you can’t really tell with trans men whereas you often can with trans women.

Is this what the majority want? Surely if people are worried about ‘predatory men’ pretending to be a trans woman to use single sex spaces then they could equally claim to be a trans man as you can’t really ask them to prove it can you?

I guess I’m just wondering if I’m missing the point the point? Are the majority happy with this? I’ve seen posts of people being very happy with the ruling but only have spoken about trans women.

I don’t want this to be a trans bashing thread. Just would like to know what people would like to see as their ideal for single sex spaces while still respecting people

OP posts:
Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:15

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2025 17:13

Oooo look I can argue about petty points of grammar because they are being mean and they won't talk to me about vaginas.

Is it petty when it translates into real world misogyny? I don't think so but you do do.

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:14

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 17:08

oh I see. So, we are now on semantics.

What is the difference between purpose and function when discussing body parts?

And why is it relevant to the topic under discussion?

Edited

Sorry for expecting you to speak precisely and in absolutes when you're arguing in absolutes.

It's the difference between why and how. Giving women's body parts a (always historically misogynistic) why is something you should be conscious of.

It's relevant because you're equating vaginas to having different "purposes" in a way that's derogatory to biological females who can't serve your imagine "purpose" because they don't function in a way that makes that "purpose" a reality in any way ever. None of which disqualifies them from accessing female loos.

Basically, if you're gonna argue about female bodies in such absolutes at least do some basic research.

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2025 17:13

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:08

It can have a function sure, you said purpose. What's it's purpose?

Oooo look I can argue about petty points of grammar because they are being mean and they won't talk to me about vaginas.

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 17:12

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:10

@Helleofabore
There is nothing inherently misogynistic and sexist in understanding female bodies and what they can and cannot do

Absolutely always misogynistic to give women's bodies a purpose based on its function. Especially if you're trying to make a point that someone else's is a "fuck hole"? Pretty gross thing to say when you're essentially boiling vaginas down to...a fuck and birthing hole as it's "purpose"?

I believe that I was very specific in what I was calling a 'fuck hole' and it was not a vagina.

Can you please state the 'function' of a cavity that has been inserted into a male body?

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 17:11

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:10

@Helleofabore
There is nothing inherently misogynistic and sexist in understanding female bodies and what they can and cannot do

Absolutely always misogynistic to give women's bodies a purpose based on its function. Especially if you're trying to make a point that someone else's is a "fuck hole"? Pretty gross thing to say when you're essentially boiling vaginas down to...a fuck and birthing hole as it's "purpose"?

What is the difference between purpose and function when discussing body parts?

And why is it relevant to the topic under discussion?

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:10

@Helleofabore
There is nothing inherently misogynistic and sexist in understanding female bodies and what they can and cannot do

Absolutely always misogynistic to give women's bodies a purpose based on its function. Especially if you're trying to make a point that someone else's is a "fuck hole"? Pretty gross thing to say when you're essentially boiling vaginas down to...a fuck and birthing hole as it's "purpose"?

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 17:08

oh I see. So, we are now on semantics.

What is the difference between purpose and function when discussing body parts?

And why is it relevant to the topic under discussion?

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:08

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 17:06

You don't think a vagina or any other body part has a purpose?

Please go and read some biological books or medical books.

"I do know that women's body parts when assigned a purpose has usually been inherently misogynistic and sexist so I'm curious to know what yours is ?"

I think you are now also mistaking sexism and negative sexist discrimination with factual discussion. There is nothing inherently misogynistic and sexist in understanding female bodies and what they can and cannot do. There is misogyny and sexism inherent in limiting a female person to only ever achieving limited activities and expecting limited behaviours in life.

You thinking that a vagina is just a body part with no function in life is surprising in this day and age though.

It can have a function sure, you said purpose. What's it's purpose?

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:07

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2025 17:03

What is the purpose of a leg. You can survive without one.

A leg doesn't have a purpose, it can have a function. Why does a vagina have a purpose?

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 17:06

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:00

I don't believe the vagina has a "purpose" which is why I'm asking what you think it is. I'm not sure any of our body parts have a "purpose"? I do know that women's body parts when assigned a purpose has usually been inherently misogynistic and sexist so I'm curious to know what yours is ?

You don't think a vagina or any other body part has a purpose?

Please go and read some biological books or medical books.

"I do know that women's body parts when assigned a purpose has usually been inherently misogynistic and sexist so I'm curious to know what yours is ?"

I think you are now also mistaking sexism and negative sexist discrimination with factual discussion. There is nothing inherently misogynistic and sexist in understanding female bodies and what they can and cannot do. There is misogyny and sexism inherent in limiting a female person to only ever achieving limited activities and expecting limited behaviours in life.

You thinking that a vagina is just a body part with no function in life is surprising in this day and age though.

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:06

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2025 17:03

Definitely on the wind up.

Try harder.

I'm unsure why it's a wind up to remind you that biological females exist with such conditions and talking about them so offensively is quite rude and ignorant

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2025 17:03

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:02

So you think they don't exist ?

Definitely on the wind up.

Try harder.

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2025 17:03

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:00

I don't believe the vagina has a "purpose" which is why I'm asking what you think it is. I'm not sure any of our body parts have a "purpose"? I do know that women's body parts when assigned a purpose has usually been inherently misogynistic and sexist so I'm curious to know what yours is ?

What is the purpose of a leg. You can survive without one.

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:02

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2025 17:01

I think you are on a proper windup and I'm not indulging it.

Does that answer your question?

If it doesn't tough. Because that's as good as you are getting.

So you think they don't exist ?

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2025 17:01

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:00

You don't think they exist or?

I think you are on a proper windup and I'm not indulging it.

Does that answer your question?

If it doesn't tough. Because that's as good as you are getting.

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:00

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2025 16:35

Is this a serious question?

Why are we taking questions like this seriously?!

You don't think they exist or?

Yelleryeller · 08/08/2025 17:00

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 16:39

Why don't you tell me why you think the purpose of a vagina is changed by some female people not having a cervix or uterus?

I don't believe the vagina has a "purpose" which is why I'm asking what you think it is. I'm not sure any of our body parts have a "purpose"? I do know that women's body parts when assigned a purpose has usually been inherently misogynistic and sexist so I'm curious to know what yours is ?

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2025 16:59

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 16:56

I hope they post too. Because if it is 'weighty' then maybe they will have a well thought through point backed up with some evidence, or failing evidence, a sound logical proposition.

You mean it's going to say more than 'look evilness, trans genocide'.

The trans genocide trope on social media is getting ridiculous.

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 16:56

WithSilverBells · 08/08/2025 16:53

I hope they do post. It is all welcome sunlight🌞

I hope they post too. Because if it is 'weighty' then maybe they will have a well thought through point backed up with some evidence, or failing evidence, a sound logical proposition.

WithSilverBells · 08/08/2025 16:53

illinivich · 08/08/2025 16:45

As an aside, a reddit person is threatening to 'publishing something weighty on Mumsnet in the coming days'.

I hope this thread isnt too late to be included. "Exhibit x: women on mn claim that my mangina isnt, in fact, anything like a vagina. How would they know? They're only women, they know nothing of science and biology and facts"

I hope they do post. It is all welcome sunlight🌞

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 16:53

illinivich · 08/08/2025 16:45

As an aside, a reddit person is threatening to 'publishing something weighty on Mumsnet in the coming days'.

I hope this thread isnt too late to be included. "Exhibit x: women on mn claim that my mangina isnt, in fact, anything like a vagina. How would they know? They're only women, they know nothing of science and biology and facts"

oh. Did that one posted in the past day or so also then ask for their posts to be removed after posting?

Or... maybe it was the thread about sex fetishists that got deleted this morning.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2025 16:47

illinivich · 08/08/2025 16:45

As an aside, a reddit person is threatening to 'publishing something weighty on Mumsnet in the coming days'.

I hope this thread isnt too late to be included. "Exhibit x: women on mn claim that my mangina isnt, in fact, anything like a vagina. How would they know? They're only women, they know nothing of science and biology and facts"

Oh yes I saw that 😂

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2025 16:47

illinivich · 08/08/2025 16:45

As an aside, a reddit person is threatening to 'publishing something weighty on Mumsnet in the coming days'.

I hope this thread isnt too late to be included. "Exhibit x: women on mn claim that my mangina isnt, in fact, anything like a vagina. How would they know? They're only women, they know nothing of science and biology and facts"

Oh goody. More threats and targeting?

MagpiePi · 08/08/2025 16:46

Is it time for the schools to go back yet? 🙄

RedToothBrush · 08/08/2025 16:45

Helleofabore · 08/08/2025 16:43

I suspect they have asked for all their posts to be deleted.

My, how odd.

Is this so they can toddle off saying how persecuted they've been and how they've been banned by evil MN.

I quite like the fact it says "removed on request" rather than deleted.

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