Misinformation correction: M&S Staff

Nice of you to join us.

If you had read the thread, you'd be able to find the answer to your question.

Its not well hidden.

Reading is a skill worth developing. You learn so much more than just shouting at people on the internet with a prejudice that everyone who posts is doing so out of 'hate'.

After a disasterous year at school I'm doing some extra comprehension testing at home with DS as its such an important life skill.

No, we think men shouldn't approach what appears to be a lone 14-year old girl in the lingerie section when the store has a known policy of not approaching customers to ask whether they need help. Their beliefs about their gender have nothing to do with it. The fact that they are male do.

I would have thought a transwoman employee would have had the social awareness that aproaching a teenage girl in the underwear department was not a good idea - maybe just avoid that section of the shop completely

Same as a lone adult with no accompanying children shouldn't go and sit on a bench in a kids play park - they may be there perfectly innocently but it isn't a good look and could lead to misunderstandings about motive.

shop assistants on an m&s floor doing their job. They were not offering bra fittings.
They were on a retail floor selling clothes. They asked a customer If they needed any help.
Do you think trans people shouldnt sell clothes?

To be charitable about it if M&S had found a problem then their data protection would mean they couldn't confirm if a disciplinary or retraining had happened.

They could talk in general terms about existing safeguarding policies across their stores to ensure all staff approach customers appropriately. But weirdly this is absence from all correspondence I've seen...

Apparently there's a plan to expose MN on reddit or some other such wank.

Probably calls for the online safety bill to be used to close down MN or something daft.

And lots of squeaking about bigotry and genocide.

Cos you know, we are evil and hateful for talking about safeguarding and safeguarding is transphobic.

If the message to Rachel is real then it is a bit adjacent.

It says that '... they were not working on bra fit or offering this'

This was never suggested - the issue is that the male employee decided to approach an unaccompanied (at the time of approach) 14 year old girl in the lingerie department. From the mother's response, it is clear that the approach frightened the girl

Also noted, the lack of gendered language when the e-mail describes the employee

I expect it was the latter.

There's another thread with an outbreak of
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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at request of the OP.

I can't work out whether the OP suddenly saw the light and realised they had written a load of obvious nonsense and decided to spare themselves further embarrassment by withdrawing all their other posts, or whether they want to claim that they were 'cancelled' on MN...

I thought the girl was with her mum?

Oh what a surprise, the OP seems to have disappeared.

And even more inappropriate for the male employee from groceries to target not a woman but an apparently lone teenage girl.

Every time I've actually needed an assistant in pretty much any large UK store in the last five years or so, you'll be hard pushed to find one immediately. They all seem to hide from you the second you actually need assistance and them to do some work.

And let’s be honest, in a big M&S store, when was the last time that you were approached by a member of staff in ANY department asking if you needed assistance with something?

Stores just don’t have the staffing levels for them to be wandering around these days, which makes it even odder that this one employee happened to have the time, and decided of all the shoppers in the store, the young teen girl looking at lingerie was the best shopper to offer their assistance to!

Lol

"Hello young girl, who appears to be alone, and looking at knickers and bras, do you need any help with that?"

Unfortunately for the OP, and people defending this, all these lame denials just smack of feverish complicity.

You’re right, no one knows if he was trans. But the mother and daughter certainly knew he was male.

@BeeSourianteAgain the man in question was not just doing his job.
He doesn't work in the lingerie department.
He isn't trained to do bra fitting.
He had no excuse for approaching the poor girl in question.

So we've got a man approaching a child in a department that he shouldn't be in wanting to help her choose a bra, something that hes not trained to do and you think that's him just doing his job.

No trans panic going on here just the calling out of a creepy inappropriate male

What first attracted you to the millionaire Paul Daniels?

aw bless.

As per normal, the trans panic was manufactured.

Mate. If a big bloke goes up to a 14 year old girl, shopping for her first bra, and she is intimidated by that: WE BELIEVE HER.

Blimey, most 14 year old girls are mortified to say the word bra to their own mothers.

The lengths that certain posters will go to to legitimise creepy men trying to engage teenage girls in conversation about underwear is quite something isn't it?

So many red flags .

No, we know that the newspaper report only mentioned "tall". It's likely that there were a number of things that led to the identification of "trans" which the newspaper has not bothered to print, because a long description was unnecessary.

Unless you mean that the employee could have just been a man and not trans at all, and the shopper should not have assumed?

Hello Bee. I’m still waiting to hear how you acquired your current sex. Any answers yet?

I feel all Mrs Merton today.

BINGO.