Does the general public want to watch programmes about Transwomen?

This sums it up completely. MN users are obsessed with a GC view of the trans issue. When 0.5% of the uk population identifies as trans and they’ll likely never have a single meaningful encounter with a trans person in their entire life. Most normal people couldn’t give a shit either way. This comes from a GC person (although I don’t hate trans people and I believe in gender dysphoria..I’m just against all these ‘trans trenders’ jumping on the bandwagon & I don’t believe you can change your sex) I’m just looking at the reality of it for the average person in society. I thought what it’s like for a girl was great though!

It's every major and respected index on international comparisons between countries isn't it?

The Women's Peace and Equality Index, the Global Gender Gap Report, the Gender Inequality Index. I have provided the charts for the 3 major indices. Can you find any respected international indices on women's equality, rights and wellbeing that show a different picture?

I didn't think I would be quoting Toby Young. But here we go.

Well, um since setting it up about 5 years ago, um we fought over 4,000 cases and where they've come to a conclusion we've been successful about 80% of the time. And in our case database on Salesforce, um by far the largest category is sex and gender, about 40% um of those 4,000 plus cases we fought over the past 5 years uh have been defending um uh gender critical women um who've complained about having to share bathrooms, changing rooms with biological men who think they're women. Um, I mean, when I set up the Free Speech Union, I thought, you know, um, I'd end up defending people like me for the most part. Um, you know, male, pale, and stale Tories. Um, but actually the front line, the people who find themselves cancelled more often, the people who find it more difficult than anyone else to kind of, uh, express how they feel about something, um, even if it's perfectly lawful..

If women have all these rights being respected, why are there so many court cases involving women defending those rights?

Do you not think it is because all these women have pushed through court cases that perhaps we are where we are now? So this set of questions "Can you name a right you don’t have today that you had a year ago? 5 years ago? A decade ago? " pretty much dismisses the significant effort of women in getting to the point where you can dismissively ask them.

Arguably it's all driven by the same "the wants of the individual override the impact on society" narrative. You just have to stop buying into the myth that 'gender ideology', particularly it's iteration in North America and Europe, is in any way progressive.

Have you missed all the high profile cases where women have had to go to employment tribunals because their rights are being taken away, simply for stating that men are men?Small issues can become big issues very quickly. We can tackle the most pressing issues that need immediate attention, without ignoring what you consider to be small problems. It’s also worth remembering that the big problems faced by society, such as poor housing, low wages, zero hour contracts which lead to poverty, always have a bigger impact on women, so if you remove any of other rights we will be in even bigger trouble.

How do we ascertain what people want to watch.....other than by asking them directly?

People tend to watch what is put in front of them, and if their favourite soap has introduced trans characters then that is what they will see and view. I suspect the only clamour for such characters comes from trans activists themselves......who believe that if only the public were exposed to these characters then they would get used to them and thus become less 'bigoted'.

I'm somewhere between gay & bi (almost 50 and still not sure!) and I can still remember seeing the first w/w kiss, same sex storyline, watching QueerAsFolk etc and feeling just a little bit less weird and hopeless. If having a 'trans' or GNC character helps make some other confused kid feel a bit less hopeless then I'm all for it.

People then hated that gay/lesbian content was 'being rammed down their throats' but in all honesty, it was a miniscule amount of content compared the heteronormative stuff I saw all day every day growing up.

I 100% don't believe people can change sex and I think SS spaces / sports are important or that healthy bodies are somehow 'wrong' but I do believe people can be confused about what society expects of men / women and how to navigate that and clearly some kids are struggling. Living/ presenting differently is important for some people.

From a gay perspective, non-heteronomative content served as either a mirror for people (me) who felt some similarity with the person portrayed or a window into that experience for someone who was straight and had never faced those problems and perhaps that helps grow tolerance.

I don't share the beliefs of a <insert religion> person but I'm still interested in stories with a religious character for example.

Those charts and the video of KJK. Wash rinse repeat.

Is the right to a single sex space really worse to you than the current situation? With the rich getting richer and richer, sowing division in society, and exploiting us?

Maybe it’s just me but I’d rather focus on the fact that my daughter will never be able to buy a house, and will have to hope she doesn’t get seriously ill because she won’t be able to afford childcare. I’m more concerned by the fact my children are facing an education system that’s being stripped and stripped, than by changing rooms.

"now I feel I have the law visibly behind me in retaining single sex spaces and services, I’m good."

That is ok. We others will continue to campaign and push to actually have those laws enacted in policies and guidances. Because, those laws being clarified, have not brought changes as yet. We have years of work ahead of us yet. I know it is exhausting, and thank you for your work to date, but at least you can perhaps not censure those who are still pushing through to get real change to happen.

@suggestionsplease1 is still trying to flog those charts then?

You must be very selective in your choosing of these so called outstanding countries for female empowerment. What about Ireland, Malta, any South American country, Spain?And countries such as Germany are not immune from male violence towards women either, and additionally large German cities contain mega brothels in which women are exploited and trafficked into, and this is supposed to be 'liberating'. Frankly I've always found some elements of German culture to be louche and more than a little seedy.

What @toastedteddy said
I’m proudly GC and feminist, I actually feel
reassurance from the Supreme Court ruling and outcome of the Brighton survivor’s network case.

i think the social contagion aspect of trans is on the wane.

i think it’s fine for the BBC to promote minority populations and relevant media - there has been a similar movement imo with autism and adhd, eg dating on the spectrum, and the inclusion of ND participants in reality TV.

i agree with other posters, MN is focusing on the smallest trans thing now, it feels hostile imo and unnecessary.

now I feel I have the law visibly behind me in retaining single sex spaces and services, I’m good. I don’t want to attack every evidence of a minority culture which includes vulnerable people (I completely agree it also includes predators).

That you think Malta, Namibia and Nicaragua are the 'best in the world for women' says all anyone reading your posts needs to know really.

Malta, where women are farmed like animals to produce babies for purchase.

Do we have to go through each one of these countries again and point out the significant issues they have with domestic violence, high mother / infant mortality rates and other things that show how fucked up it is to try to leverage this 'gender gap' as being something relevant to single sex provisions.

And remember ... this 'gender gap' also heavily weighted female heads of state. So, of course the Nordics and Spain will score highly as they have queens. And are you seriously still arguing that Nicaragua and Namibia are safe places for female people?

give it up Suggestions. We have been through your World Economic Forum data over and over and over again pointing out the inherent flaws in the data. But you just keep posting it. And that is all you have, isn't it? This highly patchy data that doesn't quite say what WEF and you assert it does.

Anyway. Ignoring the posters that seem VERY keen to derail the thread and stop us discussing it.

I have noticed the BBC shoehorning ‘trans’ people into programs the most spurious ways. They have had men who would like to be women in Antiques Riadshiw with some old tat from their front room - not interesting or antique.

They featured a vulnerable looking young girl apparently on testosterone with a cheap teddy that was a few years old on the Repair Workshop. The item was neither interesting, rare or of value.

They are so invested from their previous ‘education’ of children on the 100 genders and still seem to be desperate to indoctrinate and lie rather than respect truth and law.

The BBC are so lost.

I don't think people want to watch that stuff, no.

There doesn't have to be any causality, it is a simple matter of showing that these countries are the best in the world for women whilst also having gender self ID policies in place.

They have stayed at the top of the tables for women since introducing gender self ID. If gender self ID is such a critical issue for women the burden is for gender critical feminists to explain why these countries have not dropped down the international tables for women's wellbeing and equality with men since introducing it.

It has all been popularised as being about 'women's rights' but that is not what it is esentially about. Not 'rights' in a civil rights kind of way, anyhow. The various protections and services that have been created for women on account of the vulnerabilities and particularities of their sex have been under-mined and targeted for erasure.

Beneath this lies an ideology rooted in a denial of biological reality, that stems, largely from post modernistic theories and concepts of the self - with a focus on individual rights and self expression and the ability to create your 'own truth' through the manipulation of language and the subversion of conventional categories.

There have always been people who have presented in ways that are non conforming with social and cultural expectations based on their sex, and since the early 1960s there have been men ( mainly men) who have sought -re-assignment surgery( for whatever reason or motive) so that they can present more convincingly ( in their own minds)

But never before have we been expected to believe that men can actually become women/female. The nature of the trans movement has been utterly totalitarian and brooks no dissent, and we have been led to believe that people are born that way; as in literally 'born in the wrong body'. That being a a woman, being female is all in the mind.

The language around women and being female has been targeted for erasure..to the extent that even medical literature cannot use straightforward sexed based terminology. Basically there has been an attempted erasure of the integrity and dignity of the female sex, as if it has no consequence and as if the supposed 'rights'/feelings/concerns/desires of those who adopt trans identities are the only right/feelings/ concerns/desires that matter.

When males with all their privileges are counted as females and mixed together in statistical groups the "gender" gap ratio is going to be hopelessly corrupted so your chart is useless

By the way, I didn't see any polling questions that even bothered asking about where women's rights was on the list of issues for the UK 2024 election. Did you?

That is a sure fire way to be able to ignore and dismiss the issues at hand.

And handing out leaflets is not 'biased' at all. In fact, it brings out plenty of negative responses. Overall though, across even the most surprising demographics, the response was supportive to the general topic of prioritising sex over gender identity.

The world is going to shit. I don't think drag race being on TV is a major issue. There are tv shows on every type of 'lifestyle'. The thing with TV you can choose not to watch - unlike real life.

I used to be involved in left-wing politics. And one of its characteristics was that women's issues were always a distraction from the class struggle. You could sort out women's rights after the revolution.

But here we are now, and male violence against women is endemic, two women a week are murdered by current or former male partners, there are nearly 100,000 rapes reported every year, and those represent only a small fraction of the ones that happen. The number of men accessing child abuse images is so high that they walk away from court with a rap on the knuckles because it's not logistically practical to put them all in jail. Trafficking in prostitution is rife, women's bodies are increasingly used as surrogates for wealthy couples, men think choking women is perfectly normal behaviour in sex - and so on. The war on women never ends.

And now our one defence against all this - our right to be recognised as a class of people with particular needs and protections - is being undermined by an ideology that says any man should have the right to enter that class. Once a society says that any man can be a woman, then the one consistent thing we have to protect us against male violence - namely our right to our own spaces free from men - is completely eroded. There is nowhere we can be safe.

These countries don’t know what a woman is so what evidence do you have that

a) actual women are responding to these surveys and

b) the surveys are not being treated in the same biased and underhand way that enabled the self id laws to be brought in that are quite clearly against the interests of all women?

Why are you so desperate to derail and stop us talking about an issue that concerns us? What’s in it for you?