Does the general public want to watch programmes about Transwomen?

This is an intellectually dishonest and inconsistent point of yours.

The SC confirmed that a legal right has existed throughout, yet that right has been denied in practice over a decade plus. You wave it away because of paper rights.

But you don't do the same to your own preferred causes. Look up the UN declaration of human rights and you will see that the things you say are more important causes are all written right there. So, nothing to worry about. Silly you.

And was a very deliberate action by the lobby group Press for Change. The use of a woman to play a transwoman in Coronation Street was a very specific choice.

But that renders it meaningless for the purpose of illustration or drawing meaningful conclusions. If it’s not “because of” it can equally be “despite”.

I don’t have a very big pension, but I live relatively well. This is not because I’m short of money, but despite it. Similarly, my diet leaves a lot to be desired in the way of healthy eating; I remain fit and healthy despite my diet, rather than because of it.

Hmmm, just had a thought, Corrie has a plethora of gays but no trans, how long before one appears do you reckon?

La la la

It's very 'wheesht for Indy' misogynism.

You see it all the time - 'We'll get around to those woman-y issues you keep wittering about, just wheesht just now dear. You keep on making the teas, stuffing envelopes, and leaflet dropping etc and we'll get to it when we get to it!'

And again. Female head's of state, including traditional monarchies, have a greater weighting on the gender gap figures.

That you cannot acknowledge this seems to be a bit of a concern.

Hey women.... bin collection is a bigger issue than male people being included in single sex spaces, which includes rape crisis, refuges, prisons, female hospital wards, same sex health care professionals, sports, changing rooms and toilets, and a huge range of everyday needs for female people.

Bins!

If gender self ID is such a major threat to women why have the countries that have introduced it stayed at the top of the international tables for women rather than dropping down these tables since introducing it?

THIS 👏👏👏

I see. So the lack of protection for the female staff and service users should be dismissed because you are saying that we should side line those and focus only on the macro level.

Why can we not do both?

And Fuck! even fucking bin collections should be concentrated on first, because apparently the law just being there is good enough for you. Forget the fact that the law is being breached and dismissed by a huge % of organisations. Including but not limited to: healthcare, education, local authorities, adult social care.

So, if women reject the NHS, education and local authorities as an employer and women and girls reject them as service providers... well.. that fixes your macro level issues doesn't it? Or not....

Hmm, no mention of (for example) medical misogyny, or the gender pay gap, or the buffer zones around medical buildings which provide abortion services. All of which I have taken action on and have talked about on these boards.

As well as (for example) the erosion of single sex spaces which has meant that women in my home city have been harmed (and that's a quote from an independent review) and have self excluded from rape crisis services.

I notice that, predicatably, you mention changing rooms (makes a change from toilets I suppose). No mention of prisons, or rape crisis services, or domestic abuse refuges, or hospital wards etc etc.

You been doing much about the issues you mentioned above? Or are you just focusing on the scolding of women on here?

Yes we had those rights and yet oddly enough every government body, every media outlet, the NHS, universities, political party etc etc completely ignored this fact in favour of kow towing to men LARPing as women. Even though the SC had confirmed the law all of these bodies are having to be dragged kicking and screaming into actually complying with the law. Women are still having to fund legal cases ti enforce our rights.

what I take from that is 1. The governing classes are either so stupid they can't tell the difference between men and women or - and this is worse - are prepared to fragrantly lie if it's politically expedient

and 2 that if we can't define things properly men, women, children, free, private public and all words mean whatever we want then too it is incredibly easy for the governing classes to lie about what is going on

you cannot tackle anything on your long list of problems if words are literally meaningless depending on who is using it

abd if you can't see how the word for 51% of the population being redefined to include men isn't part of this wider problem then 🤷🏻‍♀️

I think this is reflective of one of the many DEI fails that have arisen in recent years.

If people are watching the Antiques Roadshow they want the content to be driven by interesting antiques and surprising monetary value, they do not want less interesting content in the interest of representation. If the content is interesting, they don’t care whether the people on the show do or do not have protected characteristics.

If people are watching a drama, they want diegetic consistency whereby all elements of the show fit the world of the story (e.g cast, dialogue, costumes). If a person with a protected characteristic (actor or character) is wedged in for representation purposes and this doesn’t cohere with the rest of the drama, viewers are pulled out of their immersion in the show and it becomes less enjoyable.

This is blindingly obvious, but some people believe that the cost to enjoyment is worth it for the gains in representation. However, those with this view tend to overlook people being resentful that their enjoyment is being diminished and that in some cases this can lead to resentment towards people with the protected characteristic who is being shoe horned in.

I am dismayed by the damage that social justice warriors have done and struggle to manage my contempt for their wilful ignorance towards how their misguided actions have paved the way for increased intolerance.

@suggestionsplease1 Your stats are interesting but are no kind of gotcha.

What you've observed is that the UN's list of five index items doesn't include self-ID. Are any GC feminists suggesting it does? No.

Then you want to know why the correlation. The obvious answer is that self-ID is common in rich, Western, liberal countries. Again, I'm not sure any GC feminist would disagree with that assertion.

What do you think you data is disproving?

There is plenty of discussion of why this effect. It's not a new observation. Listen to any Helen Joyce podcast. Plausible theories include: i) the institutional gay-rights movement found itself without a cause, and so moved onto this rather than scale down; ii) self-ID is a comparatively cheap/easy way for governments and corporations to appear to tackle discrimination or injustice, so in countries where the public expects and demands that, it gets supplied.

It is designed to create a belief in the collective conscious that trans women are everywhere, that they pass, that they are persecuted and that they do not present as a threat to women, who readily accept them as women.

Look for the portrayal of trans men in the media and compare...

Is it only on Mumsnet where people, women, aren’t able to care about more than one issue, all at the same time? Wild.

"Is the right to a single sex space really worse to you than the current situation? With the rich getting richer and richer, sowing division in society, and exploiting us?"

"Maybe it’s just me but I’d rather focus on the fact that my daughter will never be able to buy a house, and will have to hope she doesn’t get seriously ill because she won’t be able to afford childcare. I’m more concerned by the fact my children are facing an education system that’s being stripped and stripped, than by changing rooms."

You have the freedom to choose whatever political aims you wish, many of us share those concerns mentioned. However, to dismiss the valid concerns that are unique to women and girls though, when their aims don't match yours can be considered an act of misogyny.

The issues that we discuss actually cover things such as the ability to gain financial security to buy or even just rent houses, and health care access and to gain an education in a safe and secure space. That you choose to dismiss the impacts is your choice and you do you.

Why do you think you should be able to dismiss and shame others political interests the way you have? Why do you think you have any right to tell women what they should be turning their efforts towards?

I think a lot of us can think about more than one thing at once

@suggestionsplease1
I suggest you go and live for at least a year as a woman in Nicaragua or Namibia or even Malta. I can guarantee, without the slightest hesitation, that you won't come back quite so full of bullshit about their gold star equality and women's wellbeing status. I've lived in two of them so I actually know what I'm talking about. Go on, go and live the dream. I double dare you.

Interruptaron incoming.

When 0.5% of the uk population identifies as trans and they’ll likely never have a single meaningful encounter with a trans person in their entire life.

NO. I don't know how many times I have to explain this but this isn't about 0.5% of the population. Gender ideology says that anyone who identifies as the opposite sex has the right to be treated as the opposite sex. In other words, any man who says he's a woman has the right to be treated as a woman: to enter women's changing rooms, women's prisons, women's rape crisis centres, women's sports, jobs reserved for women. In other words, every single man in the country has the right to identify into women's spaces if he wants.

Just ask yourself one simple question: which kind of man is most likely to want access to women's spaces, women's sports and women's jobs?

That's why it's a problem.

You still have those rights, in fact the Supremer Court affirmed you have those rights.

Meanwhile our healthcare, education, local authorities, adult social care, even our bin collections, are being stripped to the bone in order for the rich to get richer. But I guess that's just not that important.

This is an excellent post.