Does the general public want to watch programmes about Transwomen?

I get the impression that “allies” of the trans movement are less tolerant of jokes and representation of trans people on screen so it’s difficult to make interesting programmes with mass appeal.
What I mean is I can’t imagine say a trans equivalent of say Will and Grace because they seem to be very serious and hypersensitive as a group. If they grow up and allow people to laugh at jokes made by trans people or about trans people then there can be the possibility of good programming with mass appeal.

You know it is possible to be concerned about all sorts of issues at the same time.

Some issues, such as those you mention, are 'bread and butter' issues and are with us always to one degree or other....taxes and prices rise and fall; jobs come and go..... in every generation; whereas other issues are more fundamental and go to the heart of how we organise society; how we understand reality; and how we balance the competing demands of different groups within that society. These sorts of issues are often dismissed as 'culture wars' but they go to the heart of how we define ourselves and the values we share. Being concerned about these matters does not mean you are not impacted by any of the other bread and butter issues. Of course, we are, everyone is.

IKR? After attempts to shut down FWR it was split into two because of all the waaahing about FWR being dominated by sex and gender issues. We were told we had to use this board which we do and it's clearly labelled sex and gender and yet somehow ppl still find their way here to scold us for discussing it or to tell us they just don't care

I don't turn up on the litter tray telling them off for discussing pets because they're are sooo many more important things in the world but apparently we must be regularly scolded for discussing gender & sex as they impact on women on a board clearly labelled as such

Good for you. But that wasnt the point of the OP.

Its such a non issue that people get angry about women just talking about it on a feminist board of the parenting website.

Id say theres a million things more pressing than my hobbies, but no one comes onto those forums and tells me to quit talking about them.

Is this another thread moaning about things being ‘shoved down our throats’? There’s plenty of recommended shows that I’m not interested in watching, guess what - I don’t watch them!

They never seem to have a genuine buz around them do they?

Ive never met anyone who's recommended that paris lees thing to me.

Accepting that people can change sex is not inclusive it’s regressive, misogynistic and homophobic, because it’s a lie. Teaching our children that people lying to them in the name of a harmful ideology is not inclusive it’s dangerous and a safeguarding risk.

In terms of representation I do wish those of you who support this ideology would get together and form some sort of consensus, because one minute we’re told that trans identifying men are everywhere and in all areas of life, but we just don’t notice them (😂😂) or that they are such a teeny, tiny part of the overall population so why are we so bothered? In fact the latter is true, in terms of numbers, so why does such a teeny, tiny part of the population get such a massive amount of representation in our schools, NHS and our media? There are approximately 17 million disabled people in this country, where is their representation, why are there no lanyards for disabled people being worn by NHS workers, where are their trains or zebra crossings, or flags being flown from civic buildings? I notice that none of you on here scolding us have even mentioned disabled people, which says quite a lot about you.

The public would watch programmes about transwomen if it was about them being good at something, they go on an adventure or they’re funny or something.

The “Look at me, I’m oppressed” storylines will have people running a mile because it’s not like gay people who definitely did not have the same rights as heterosexual people. Trans people in the West have exactly the same rights as everyone else and no amount of pouting can change that reality.

I’m going to assume that the use of the word girl means that the programme is about teens. Teenagers usually prefer streaming channels like Netflix over terrestrial tv so I’m surprised if many young people even watched the programme. This is clearly an attempt to virtue signal and say that they invest in diverse programming. The license fee system is going to crash in the near future when young people stick with streaming and don’t fall into the con of buying a license. They stream their music and podcasts so don’t need BBC radio either.

I’m fed up of it, as a Dr Who fan the last episode* I watched was the one where they shoehorned in the grown ass adult trans identifying male who was apparently supposed to be a teen. I was so confused about why he kept talking to the young lad, I’d no idea they were supposed to be friends, I assumed it was a child babysitter arrangement but still weird. The whole thing was just a confusing propaganda mess.

*’The Star Beast’

Tolerance does not mean prioritisation of that group's demands over another group's rights though.

If the discussion about the needs of female people being prioritised when sex matters causes you concern. Is it because you have the view that if a group demands access to another group's protections they should get that, because that to you is tolerance?

For example, do you think that girls in school should have single sex spaces that excludes all male people and fair sport where no male student is included in their event if it is a 'girls' event? Or do you think that your definition of tolerance means that male people should have access to those provisions and that girls need to tolerate that?

Sometimes conspiracy theories are mental, the idea that ITV employed a trans comedian to star in a sitcom is all part of a conspiracy to privatise the NHS. Seriously?

It doesn’t matter, women weren’t the ones banging on about the “right” to self ID as the opposite sex. It’s not exactly a shocker that women’s rights aren’t top of the priority list. The point is a level of support has in the past been claimed for “trans rights” that simply doesn’t exist, and has actually dropped when people became aware of how unreasonable the things being demanded were.

You seem to be under the impression in making this statistical point that: i) self-ID is only available to trans people, and ii) all (or at least, substantially all such that the exceptions can be ignored) trans people are male, i.e. are trans women.

You are mistaken on both counts. This is another example of where I don't think you've thought your points through.

That's even if I grant you that the average person availing themselves of self-ID in the stats is less advantaged than the average person not availing themself. I have no data on that, and if you do, please feel free to share it. It would surprise me if such granular data is kept.

It’s not being rammed down anybody’s throat you can chose not to watch and teaching at school is for representational purposes and the hope that today’s children live in a world which is mote tolerant, accepting and inclusive which is desperately needed looking through this thread

So when you talked about advantaged members being included in the disadvantage group and moving the index upwards you weren't speaking to this issue?

As an autistic woman, and as the mother of autistic daughters - I'd like to have the right to a research base into autism in females that isn't completely skewed by allowing Dave who transitioned socially to Davina (but kept little Dave in his pants) at the age of 57 to identify into the study and completely distort it into the usual "little boys lining up trains" male-experience of autism.

I'd like them to have support and any therapy needed on an evidence base actually based on the evidence of the lives of biological autistic women.

I'd also like my two friends who were murdered by husbands back alive - but resurrection is asking a bit much.

I turn the TV off if it's pushing the trans narrative down my throat in an unexpected area - I get sick of sitting watching something like the Antiques Roadshow and then all of a sudden it's UNEXPECTED SAUSAGE IN BAGGING AREA and all about their trans-journey. Feck that.

It depends on how you define “major threat”. There are many threats and disadvantages to women; not all have a discernible effect on overall measures. Take maternity care. The majority of women giving birth seem to be reasonably well cared for and have a good or satisfactory experience, according to what can be inferred from reports. However, a minority have unsatisfactory or catastrophic experiences. Yet the UK is still a good place for women. Using your logic, how can this be?

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/performance-of-maternity-services-in-england/

Not aware, no. It may well be true. But that is not relevant to the point either you or I am making.

I feel you are shifting the ground because you don't have a very sound intellectual grasp of the arguments you are making.

You are aware that trans people score poorly in all areas that are measured on these indices aren't you?

Because the index doesn't measure that. Where's the gotcha?

In fact, in so far as self-ID is directly relevant to the metric, we should expect self-ID in any meaningful quantity to uplift a country's ranking. Why? Because in practice the index measures degree of female disadvantage. If you start counting advantaged members in the disadvantaged group and vice-versa, what direction will that move the index in? Upward, even holding underlying conditions constant.

So if you are looking for how self-ID can distract from other issues, you've found one. Permitting self-ID distracts and masks from the issues you claim are more important.

Are you switching sides now?

But the 'gender gap' does.

It is misogynistic indeed that women and girls are being told that they need to wait until the 'bigger issues' are fixed before their needs are met.

The disconnect between 'the laws are there already' and the reality of years of misinterpreting those laws to have policies in place that breach that law is very telling.

No women... you got what you wanted now with the law being clarified, now SHUT THE FUCK UP, it doesn't matter that it will take sustained effort to force the policies to follow the law.

I don't think about it at all when watching a program with a trans person but my friends all love drag race, I've never seen it so can't comment but it's a big topic of conversation I feel I'm missing out!

The Women, Peace and Security index does not consider female heads of state in its analysis.