Does the general public want to watch programmes about Transwomen?

Having a trans identifying child for those in the media is just another accessory that brings them attention, a few years ago the children of celebrities were drug addicts or alcoholics, it’s de rigueur these days for one or more of their children to be trans, it’s a social contagion.

I watched that live at the time. I think it pretty much shone a beacon on the misogyny of the genre.

But then you have drag acts performing late term miscarriages or abortions on stage too. The list is rather long by now. And yet, BBC publishes a large amount of articles about drag. It is really remarkable to see the focus that BBC has on this sub group.

You'll get lots of 'it's empowering/celebrating feminity etc etc'. It's not. It's a chance for men to lean into bitchy stereotypes about women and be applauded for it.

And after seeing comments about the definition of 'fishy' (complete with disgusted face and hand wafting) applauded during the Big Fat Quiz of the Year on Channel 4 a few years ago, it's also open misogyny and hatred of women.

I actually suspect that the programme makers either have trans identified children themselves or have close friends who do. They need to try to convince themselves that they are doing the right thing because deep deep down, they know it’s a lie.

I used to wonder who watched the drag race stuff -I make a point of turning off trans or drag stuff that’s the best treatment

It would be interesting to FOI the BBC (and can we also FOI Channel 4?) on their viewing and repeat figures vs money spent.

In answer to the op's question. No. I really don't think the general public want to watch programmes about Transwomen.

Would you mind sharing what it is that’s so entertaining about it? It’s a genuine question I’d like answering because I cannot fathom what it is.

To answer the actual question, Drag Race is very popular amongst all of the people I know except for pensioners, who are arguably the people watching the BBC the most.

The stark difference between UK drag queens which are quite low rent comedy acts, very British and the super glamorous more performing art type performances you get on the American Drag Race is quite entertaining to see. Though being a smaller population we have run out of entertaining UK drag queens much quicker than American ones and the latest two seasons have been rubbish. You can't deny it's a saga at this point with over a decade on TV, a huge fan base under its belt and it's own culture it's created as well as bringing drag artists to mainstream entertainment.

I’m not sure even young people give a toss about trans anymore if they ever did, its as attention seeking phase as far as most as concerned, just all a bit yawn. Cross dressers yes but a very tiny minority have genuine desire to transition after the identity confusion ends as they age. God help the crop who’ve had their poor bodies mutilated, thats the next crisis.

We are also aware that the trans lobby are shameless in their misuse of ‘stats’ to prop up their lies. See the much quoted but totally misleading ‘suicide stat’ extrapolated from a survey of something like 14 people who were thankfully still alive favoured by Stonewall and chums.

Why are you so desperate to stop us talking about this? Are we close to the target - the ground zero of the propaganda?

Your friends might enjoy watching men parody women having had a mastectomy and dangling the bag of raw amputated flesh like a handbag but personally I find it quite disgusting.

Aside from housing these issues have been as the same for decades.

Corrie did much of the heavy spadework/propaganda in the early days with the Harold/Gayley Cropper character who became much loved nationally but was a totally dishonest representation of trans because it was played by a woman.

Nowadays I don’t think they could introduce a similar character as the trans lobby would be up in arms because it’s not played by a trans person (although the female actress was entirely to their benefit by confusing the public) and if they used a male ‘trans’ person they could never put them on the screen with a woman because the contrast is so glaringly obvious. Look at the vast male head and build of the trans identifying male in Orange is the New Black US prison series.

I am sure Love Island could be done with all transgender participants. No doubt, some one would watch it.

When we are told that bin collections are a higher priority than pushing for organisations to provide the single sex provisions that they were supposed to be providing, we need to take that as reflecting just where that poster considers women's rights in the scheme of things.

The number of 'you have got the law clarified, now move on and STFU about this issue' is something we see regularly. But it is especially interesting when it is done on the feminist board that has been created especially for these discussions to happen. Of course, those doing the censuring know very well they are doing so on the Sex & Gender board, the arrogance that goes with 'STFU and focus on my list of issues as they are far more important' also is shown in censuring posters on the Sex & Gender board for having the discussions about Sex & Gender.

I don't think some people really think it through though, about what it really highlights when they do this.

Might that also depend on including men in the definition of women in those countries?

My bet is that it doesn’t.

The inherent untruthfulness of the basic premise of trans gives a clunkiness and total lack authenticity to any programme involving them.

As an example, the storyline on Hollyoaks with the very large man who claimed to be a woman who was in a women’s prison and supposedly attacked and injured by a woman literally half his size. He was terrible actor and the majority if the attack seemed to hinge on dirty looks from the women but somehow thus tiny lady managed to overpower the man and break his harm somehow. Utterly unconvincing and ridiculous.

This actor was a consultant to Coronation street when they introduced Hayley Cropper the ‘trans identifying male ’ character as a propaganda tool ahead of the GRA. It is hugely significant that they cast a female actress in the role. The storylines of making the female factory staff out to be nasty by objecting to sharing their toilets with him would not have worked at all had they been honest and cast a man.

Interestingly the only interesting and authentic trans programmes I’ve seen have been the early ones in the 70s and 80s where they interviewed many of these men about their lives and feelings. They were quite open about their homophobia (which makes their glomming onto LGB causes even more risible) and some of their motivations and it was interesting to hear them speak.

There are separate conversations going on here:

-are programmes entirely about trans people of interest to the general public? Hard to quantify, but I've never heard one discussed/recommended by the many tv-obsessed people I know.

-are trans characters being randomly shoehorned into programmes for the sake of it? Probably, but the general public are used to writing that off as obligatory tokenism.

I've never seen Love Island (most talked about show in my office/volunteering space), and find the concept bewildering. Could it work at all with trans participants?

Feel free to do so.

And do you know what? We won’t be going onto your threads about the difficulties your daughter may face in buying a house to scoff and making accusations of you ‘frothing’ and that you should be concentrating on what is admittedly a pretty major crush’s fur women’s rights and equality.

I don’t know the root cause (and I’m not sure I want to find out) but I have a lot of stress around toilets and men being in enclosed spaces with me. I want my daughters to have the same rights and protections that I enjoyed growing up and currently, while the law might be clear, in practice they don’t.

You, Suggestions et al are very welcome to skip this thread if you don’t like the topic. As my grandmother used to say “it’s no skin off your nose”.

I’ve seen gay centric content promoted by NF in the past eg Heartstopper but I think that sort of programme won’t be promoted until Trump leaves office because it would face lots of “Go woke, go broke” accusations even if it reached number one on their streaming charts.

Well up until 16/04/25 women didn’t have the right to single sex spaces according to the government.

There’s a word for what the scolders are doing and it begins with M. I think Reddit must be down, maybe they’ve run out of 50p’s.