Does the general public want to watch programmes about Transwomen?

What about Ana Bortion? Is thst not mocking abortions?

Look. You find drag offensive. Fine.

I don't, all the other women who watch and enjoy it don't. Also fine. We can agree to disagree.

Trying to coin a phrase that plays on blackface is crass and offensive in my opinion. Slavery, public lynchings, Scape goating for crime, not being allowed in the same buildings or on the same buses as white people, the racism against black people in recent history just isn't comparable to the issues women face. Sexism and misogyny is awful and we continue to fight it but I would never compare drag and it's effects on women (I don't believe there are any beyond some being offended) to the effect of black face on black people entrenching negative stereotypes that made it ok to continue abusing them. No one looks at a drag queen and says see! Women are so stupid! Make them get the stupid person bus I don't want them on my normal person bus!

There is one called Anna Bortion.

Bit baffled as to why MNHQ have hidden my last post. It is literally a list of names of drag queens which were listed in an article entitled '18 of the funniest drag queen names' on a publicly accessible website.

If it's considered to have broken any talk guidelines, then that says more about the offensiveness of the names than anything else.

There’s plenty that do, and not just abortions, but women’s bodie and bodily functions , their interests, all kinds of things. You only have to look at the names some of them give themselves to see the misogyny.

I have never seen a drag queen mock abortions. Obviously that is offensive.

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Like, they could just be effeminate men who like to wear makeup and dresses they don’t have to mock abortions or call each other fishy or act out sexist female tropes. It’s that stuff that many women find offensive. Men who like doing their makeup and wearing fancy dresses, I would have no problem with.

Yes, they’re gay effeminate men ( although I know of a few that aren’t particularly). But they’re still acting out misogynistic stereotypes of women for the most part.

The power they have is that they’re men and men are the oppressor class, taking the piss out of women, who are the oppressed class.

I don’t deny some of them have talent, but they could use that talent in a way that doesn’t take women down, no?

so you are saying that wearing dresses, makeup and fake boobs doesn’t make you a woman but a man dressing up as a woman? But they are not dressing as feminine men are they? They’re wearing woman face and caricaturising women. They are taking all the nasty sexist stereotypes thrown at women and utilising them for their own amusement.

All of the drag queens I ever have seen are gay effeminate men. They're not blokey blokes from down the pub just taking the piss out of their MIL by chucking a wig on.

Drag started as effeminate gay men expressing their feminine side when it was unacceptable for men to be feminine, a cover for them if you like. That is obviously not the case any more, though a lot of men really seem to be uncomfortable around effeminate gay men and especially drag queens so it's clearly still not openly accepted. I certainly don't think the effeminate gay men who appear in drag race are in positions of power in society and oppressing women.

Whether you all think it's acceptable or not, you simply cannot deny the artistry of it. Many modern make up techniques including contouring were invented by drag queens.

But they’re not just feminine men. They’re men pretending to be women, often playing out misogynistic stereotypes as they do so.

Femininity is not a culture that can be appropriated like native Indians or black culture.

Feminine men exist. Native indianish white people don't exist.

So gay men decided to dress as women for their own benefit and amusement. And you don’t think that’s wrong? Would you be ok with someone dressing as a native Indian to “express themselves” if they weren’t Indian? If not, why not? How do you know what every black person would think and feel?

I can't seem to edit the last sentence; what I'm trying to get across is without even getting into how accurate the data is (especially the 6% one), even data from Trump-aligned groups has not demonstrated that the issue was the number one concern for undecided voters. That doesn't mean, again, that women should remain silent. It just means that particular argument about undecided voters has not been fully verified.

I will dig out the link but just because you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

I looked up the readily available polls and the analyses, and in the interest of being neutral consulted Republican data and conservative pollsters as well.

Republican strategists did claim their messaging on the transgender movement may have been effective among undecided voters, but even they did not claim the issue was the number one vote driver among undecideds.

There were Republican-supporting groups that commissioned polls, such as APP, which showed Trump's messaging might have influenced voters, but the polls did not specify whether the influenced voters were in the undecided group.

There was a group that claimed 6% of US voters thought the issue was the most important one, but the data was about voters in general, not undecided voters.

Re: misinformation, it appears that you missed my other comment and why I've qualified the term with "to the best of my knowledge" and added a request for a link to said reliable polls. You might have only focused on the term and skipped the rest of the comment, which is why I asked if you've read it in its entirety.

"The term "misinformation" is not being used in an accusatory manner here; it simply means inaccurate information, which is why I used it and not "disinformation" (inaccurate information intended to deliberately mislead or deceive).

It's good to be vigilant of information being spread without verification, as that's what some of those who believe women are being oversensitive about transgender identity movement have done to muddy the waters. We (as in people concerned about erosion of female rights) should not be doing what they are doing, even if some unverified or inaccurate information might seem entirely plausible."

I’m willing to bet more than 25%would agree that someone with a dick is a man.

But you led with ‘this is misinformation’. Before you asked for any verification. I will dig out the link but just because you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

I have no objection to shows featuring transpeople (obviously) but it does get tedious when they’re featured that everyone has to bang on about how super special and beautiful they are in a way they never do for anyone else.

The only show I can think of that didn’t particularly fall into that trap was The OA. One of the kids was trans and it just wasn’t a major deal. One of my favourite shows in recent times.

Why do they always have offensive names that denigrate women then?

In all honesty I’m not interested full stop. This is different to my interest in lgb issues. I watched Its a Sin with great interest and cried my eyes out. But I have also seen My Night With Reg, Milk and loads of other lgb series and films. I generally enjoy them and sympathise with the characters.
i eye rolled so hard when I saw that Paris lease thing. I also wasn’t interested in Butterfly on itv either. I’m gc so that one bothered me a lot. I think the BBC and delusional really.

What are drag queens then?

It doesn’t bother me. I’m not transphobic, have trans friends and family so it is quite normal to me to see them represented in the media.