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Elite sports people speaking up! Thread 2

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Signalbox · 07/08/2025 11:47

A second thread to discuss resistance by athletes and others to men in women’s sporting events. We’ve come along way since the beginning of the first thread 2.5 years ago. Lots to celebrate but still much left to do.

The first thread can be found here…

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4731592-elite-sports-people-speaking-up?page=1

Elite sports people speaking up! | Mumsnet

There seems to be an increasing number of sports people speaking up about the problem of males completing in women's sports which is positive. Thought...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4731592-elite-sports-people-speaking-up?page=1

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Signalbox · 19/11/2025 19:15

The end of men in women’s sports? | Olympian Sharron Davies on the madness of ‘trans inclusion’

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Signalbox · 27/11/2025 09:31

A British athlete crowned the world's strongest woman says she was "robbed" of her winning moment after it emerged the original champion was a transgender woman who was ineligible to compete.

Andrea Thompson was awarded the title retrospectively after American athlete Jammie Booker was disqualified.
Thompson told BBC Sport the competition, held in Arlington, Texas, was "overshadowed by somebody who shouldn't have been there".

"I was very frustrated and angry with what she’s done," she said. "She lied and was very dishonest, and took away a lot of things from a lot of women.

"The lady that came 11th didn't get the chance to do the third day... to have the top 10 status in the world."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/weightlifting/articles/cd7455qv8zpo

A group of athletes are stood on and around a podium after the world's strongest woman competition. Jammie Booker is on the central podium holding up a trophy.

Transgender athlete 'was very dishonest', says world's strongest woman Andrea Thompson

A British athlete crowned world's strongest woman says she was "robbed" of her winning moment after it emerged the original champion was a transgender woman who was ineligible to compete.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/weightlifting/articles/cd7455qv8zpo

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Signalbox · 01/12/2025 08:04

lcakethereforeIam · 30/11/2025 20:52

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https://archive.ph/0Avxn

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Signalbox · 01/12/2025 08:10

A top female pool player is taking legal action against her professional sports body after being barred for wearing a body camera at a competition.

Lynne Pinches claims she was wearing the camera for her own protection after becoming embroiled in a row over the inclusion of transgender women in female pool competitions, and had since been subjected to threats.

Pinches, 52, a veteran pool player and tournament winner, said that not only is her route to becoming a professional player now closed, but she is prohibited from supporting her 11-year-old son at pool tournaments…

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/lynne-pinches-female-pool-player-bodycam-3sbgm02vd

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Female pool player in bodycam ban sues sporting body

Lynne Pinches said she was wearing the device for safety in response to threats from trans activists

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/lynne-pinches-female-pool-player-bodycam-3sbgm02vd

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Signalbox · 01/12/2025 08:12

Lynne is being represented by Peter Daly.

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Helleofabore · 09/12/2025 23:12

https://x.com/salltweets/status/1998515840694759737?s=46

Bethany Hamilton on why women surfers didn’t complain about male surfers in their events. Because they had signed agreements that fined them $10k if they said something negative about World Surf League.

She didn’t have the same contract so has spoken out.

Sall Grover (@salltweets) on X

“Why don’t more women athletes speak up?” This is why 👇 When World Surf League was putting a man in a bikini in the woman’s category, they made women surfers sign a contract saying they would say nothing negative about it or be fined $10,000.

https://x.com/salltweets/status/1998515840694759737?s=46

alamak · 10/12/2025 14:06

Helleofabore · 09/12/2025 20:11

https://x.com/JenniferSey/status/1998451596360036675?s=20

Aryna Sabalenka says no male people in female sports.

Sabalenka's views are being reported around the globe and the reporting is finally getting more balanced.

www.channelnewsasia.com/sport/sabalenka-says-women-facing-transgender-athletes-not-fair-5572091

Helleofabore · 10/12/2025 16:29

That is some good news !

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/12/2025 20:06

In more good news the wonderful advocate for women's sport, Sharron Davies, has been appointed a Conservative peer in the House of Lords:

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/12/10/sharron-davies-tory-peer-campaign-trans-peerage/

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Britinme · 06/01/2026 19:09

@Helleofabore I did see a community note on X reporting that Mollie O'Callaghan had denied saying this.

Helleofabore · 06/01/2026 19:41

Britinme · 06/01/2026 19:09

@Helleofabore I did see a community note on X reporting that Mollie O'Callaghan had denied saying this.

Oh. Bummer.

I must make a note to check community notes and allow denial time next time.

Signalbox · 04/02/2026 18:32

England Darts are being taken to court by a trans darts player!

https://x.com/PinchesLynne/status/2019068239649685865

Elite sports people speaking up! Thread 2
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murasaki · 28/02/2026 12:47

Dita Hedman is a legend.

Helleofabore · 20/09/2026 11:32

There are many names that now need to be added here to this thread to update it after the IOC announcement and Sophie Cunningham's words.

SinnerBoy · 23/09/2026 11:14

This is from Australia, about grassroots sports, I couldn't find an entirely appropriate thread. In the light of their Sexual Discrimination wins against women recently, it's worth the 5 minutes it takes to read.

Last year, a women's netball team said no to two men and won, but nobody knows about it

https://x.com/FraserDAnderson/status/2050520737916825735

A community netball competition in Victoria used existing federal law to protect women's sport without fuss, fanfare, or a single supportive press release from the people whose entire job is to protect women's sport.

Somewhere in Victoria, in 2025, alright, you really want to know where, don’t you. The Riddell District Football Netball League (RDFNL) , a women's netball competition, quietly did something that the entire apparatus of Australian sport administration has spent several years insisting was legally impossible, politically catastrophic, and probably a hate crime. They told two men who had presented themselves as women that they would not be playing in the women's competition. No tribunal. No twelve-month review process. No crisis communications consultant. No weeping press conference. They cited Section 42 of the Sex Discrimination Act, the men's representatives mumbled something and withdrew, and the women played netball. The earth continued to rotate on its axis. Nobody died.

You will, I suspect, not have read about this in any of the places that breathlessly report every incremental advance in the project of making women's sport compulsorily inclusive of men who find the arrangement convenient. That is because the story contains a piece of information that the relevant institutions have a very strong interest in keeping as quiet as humanly possible: the legal instrument to protect women's single-sex sport already exists, it is already in the federal statute, it already works, and it is written so precisely that opposing it in court would require an argument so legally contorted it would put your barrister's back out.

"Section 42 of the Sex Discrimination Act permits sporting organisations to exclude persons of one sex from participation in a competitive sporting activity where the strength, stamina, or physique of competitors is relevant. It is not ambiguous. It does not contain the phrase 'unless feelings are involved.'"
Section 42 of the Sex Discrimination Act permits sporting organisations to exclude persons of one sex from participation in a competitive sporting activity where the strength, stamina, or physique of competitors is relevant. It is not ambiguous. It is not qualified by a lengthy schedule of ideological exceptions. It does not contain the phrase "unless feelings are involved." It is, by the standards of federal legislation, a model of clarity - the kind of drafting that suggests someone, at some point, actually thought carefully about what the words meant and meant to use them precisely. In the context of current public discourse this is, I concede, a startling thing to encounter in an Act of Parliament, but there it is.

The Victoria case put this to the test. Equality Australia - the advocacy organisation whose organisational purpose is the advancement of the ideological position that produced the problem in the first place - was represented in the vicinity of the outcome by Anna Brown, who offered what I understand to be a variation on the standard formulation: transgender rights are human rights, the usual register, the customary cadence. And then, notably, stopped. Because continuing would have required her to make a legal argument against Section 42 in a forum where legal arguments have consequences, and Section 42 does not, on close inspection, leave much room to manoeuvre. The netball club had the law. The law was sufficient. The conversation ended.
Now let us consider the Australian Human Rights Commission, and specifically its Sex Discrimination Commissioner, Anna Cody, whose pronouns are she and her, a detail she considers important enough to publish, and whose response to a successful real-world test of the legislation she is statutorily responsible for administering was - and I have checked this carefully - nothing. No press release celebrating the effective operation of the SDA in protecting women's single-sex sporting competition. No guidance note to sporting clubs and bodies informing them that Section 42 exists, that it functions, and that women's organisations do not need to choose between compliance with an ideological agenda and the continued participation of their female members in their own sport. No item on the AHRC website. Nothing on social media. Not so much as a footnote.

This is, charitably interpreted, an extraordinary oversight from a commissioner whose portfolio includes the protection of women from sex discrimination. Less charitably interpreted, it is the behaviour of an institution that has decided its ideological commitments take precedence over its statutory function, and which has therefore chosen not to publicise a legal outcome that would, if widely known, substantially reduce the leverage currently being applied to women's sporting organisations across the country.

"In New South Wales women's football, clubs are being presented with what amount to compliance frameworks and non-disclosure arrangements. Sign the paperwork, accept the men, say nothing about it, or leave your own sport. This is being done to women and girls. In 2026. Using a law that contains, on page whatever-it-is, a provision that makes the entire exercise unnecessary."
In New South Wales women's football, the situation has progressed considerably beyond philosophical debate. Clubs are being presented with what amount to compliance frameworks and non-disclosure arrangements. The substance of these, translated from the administrative into the plain: accept the male-bodied players, do not discuss the arrangement publicly, and if five men with gender identities experience distress at your reluctance then your reluctance is the problem to be solved. Women and girls are being asked - with the particular quality of asking that has an implicit "or else" attached - to sign documents, accept conditions, and surrender a sport they built and have played their entire lives, because the alternative is being characterised as the authors of someone else's psychological harm. This is coercion. It is being conducted against women and girls. It is happening in a jurisdiction where Section 42 of the Sex Discrimination Act applies, and where the Sex Discrimination Commissioner has apparently not found the time to mention that it does.

The question of why the AHRC has not publicised the Victoria outcome is, on the surface, puzzling. The Commission exists to promote compliance with anti-discrimination law. A sporting body demonstrated that the law works. The Commissioner's office should, by any ordinary institutional logic, be distributing this information with some enthusiasm. That it has not done so suggests that the ordinary institutional logic is not, in this instance, the logic being applied. The Commission, like Equality Australia, like ACON, like the various other bodies orbiting this issue with the dedicated attention of organisations that have chosen a side, appears to have calculated that the more widely Section 42 is understood, the less leverage remains available to the project they have collectively decided to advance. And so the information sits in a Victorian netball club's correspondence file, doing no work at all, while women's football clubs in New South Wales are handed compliance documents and told to sign.
The remedy is, by the standards of most things requiring remedies in this area, almost insultingly simple. Section 42 exists. It works. A netball association in Victoria proved it works in practice against the very opposition most people assumed would make it unworkable. Every women's sporting organisation in New South Wales and every other state confronting this precise coercive arrangement can use it. They do not need the Commissioner to announce it. They need a solicitor and the Act.

The people most urgently required to know this are the women currently being handed non-disclosure frameworks and told that their sport's future depends on their silence and compliance. They are not without legal recourse. They have simply been left, with some deliberateness, to believe that they are.

Pass it on. Quietly, if necessary. Section 42. It works. The netball proved it.

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The Law That Works, the Commissioner Who Won't Tell Anyone, and the Secret Nobody in Women's Sport I

https://x.com/FraserDAnderson/status/2050520737916825735

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