European Convention on Human Rights

Because

1. Women outnumber you.
2. You aren't a woman. Even the supreme court says so.
3. You should respect women and all women are worthy of respect.
4. Women are humans too. And thus also have human rights.
5. All rights have to be balanced. There IS a conflict of rights - despite comments on this thread saying there isn't, otherwise you wouldn't be whinging when you don't get your own way.
6. Third spaces are for everyone. Women can use them. Men can use them. Transwomen can use them. Transmen can use them. They are, by definition open to all. They are not segregated.
7. Third spaces are perfectly fine if all you need a toilet for is pissing.
8. Safeguarding is a legitimate concern whether you like it or not.
9. Privacy and Dignity for female bodies can not happen in the presence of male bodies regardless of what you think.
10. Women are not support humans for validation.
11. I want doesn't get.
12. 'Waaaaaahhhh waaaahhhhhhhhhh wahhhhhh its not fair' is not a valid argument.
13. Tough titty. Its not all about you and what YOU want.
14. This post more than any on this thread demostrates that you are not a woman and think you should have privileges over women.
15. Stealthing is creepy, anti-social behaviour that gives women the willies (pun completely intended). Don't do it, unless you want women to treat you accordingly.
16. The answer is still no.

HTH

I think most men would be distressed seeing someone who looks like a woman with breasts getting undressed in a changing room.

You want one category of males - only- to have the privilege of using women's facilities whether the women want you there or not. That is privileging you above women and above other kinds of males.

So you're concerned that men might be distressed at seeing a man who wants to be a woman in the men's toilets, but you're not the least bit concerned that women are telling you that they would be distressed if you (a male) were in the women's toilets.

Anyway, @RapidOnsetGenderCritic has already said that he has no problem with people like you using the men's. I'm sure most men would be the same. Have you asked them all?

People with a penis. That can include cis male and trans women.

Other than your persistent invasion of women's single-sex spaces, how is the way you live now different from living 'as a man'?

Is it just invading women's spaces that makes you happier?

Men are the danger, not trans women. It wasn't a trans woman who SA'd me, it was a man who wouldn't take no for a fucking answer.

I wasn’t referring to trans people. I was referring to males. Within this category sits all natal males, regardless of trans identities.

People with trans identities have a sex, and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous

How exactly is removing discrimination "wanting the law to discriminate in my favour"

I cannot use the mens as I'm not a man, don't look like a man, and would cause distress to men if I walked into the mens.

My voice is fine, I get gendered correctly on the phone to strangers because I stopped my puberty before it finished wrecking my body.

What you are actually complaining about is that the law won't discriminate in your favour.

Why should I roll over and accept being segregated into a third space? Would you like being segregated into a third space?

I agree. I would personally think any man (even those who dress it up as something else) who was deliberately transgressing the boundaries of women and girls was a creep.

Yes, by MEN. Not Trans People.

No, YOU do not get to campaign to strip oppressed groups of their human rights then pretend you're pro safeguarding.

You are literally making the lives of a tiny group of people unlivable based on nothing more than fear and hatred, then have the gaul to pretend like you are the victim here.

Let's not forget that anti-trans activism has literally killed people. Brianna Ghey lives in our hearts forever as a girl murdered by transphobia.

That is absurd. Over 98% of sexual crimes are committed by males and 84% of violent crimes are committed by males. This is borne out in what women witness throughout their lives.

What you are saying is for the birds. It is entirely understandable that a female will not feel comfortable with a male in female only provision. It is nothing short of ridiculous that this reflects transphobia.

As I pointed out earlier - i went to a bar today with a women's / men's / everyone's.

You COULD campaign for that and use third party facilities.

But thats not good enough and a bit too much like hard work.

So NO you DO have a choice. You are just too damn lazy and disrespectful to take it.

You have the options of using men's spaces or seeking out individual changing and toilet cubicles. Saying you have no choice but to use women's spaces is neither true nor reasonable. What exactly do you mean by "going stealth"? Dressing in fully concealing clothing and not speaking?

You are lying.

You DO have a choice.

You don't want to take responsibility for that choice.

We have made a point because women have been lied to, abused and their dignity and privacy not respected.

WE WANT TRANSPARENCY.

If transparency is not acceptable to transpeople then YOU have a problem, not us, because its central in safeguarding.

If you want to remove safeguarding we have a RIGHT to point out why this is so dangerous and harmful. And its tough titty if you don't like it.

We'd far rather not go stealth. But GCs relentless drive to embed discrimination in law has left us with no choice.

A cis woman might also be there to commit assault. So might anyone.

I can understand that people are afraid, but I don't believe that justifies discrimination against trans people. We don't make policy based on fear, nor should we.

I hear you ,as regards the risks transgender people face, but sadly the risk profile associated with sexual violence comes from being a biological male...this has never just been about who gets to use what toilet ,it's about risk to women and girls in hospital wards, psychiatric institutions, women's refuges.Having worked in mental health and having had a patient raped whilst in NHS care , I've been blindsided by the NHS's capacity to ignore the most basic of risk assessments. rapecrisis.org.uk/news/alarming-scale-of-sexual-violence-and-abuse-on-mental-health-wards/ I don't walk around thinking all men are sexual predators, nor do I think that all trans women are sexual predators. If I recognise that you are part of a minority group that experiences abuse , can you recognise that women have valid concerns for fearing loss of their protected spaces?

A man is there to assault someone, a transwoman is there to piss

This implies that all transwomen are there ‘to piss’, but some transwomen may be there to commit assault, just like the males without trans identities.

There is no evidence suggesting that transwomen are less likely to commit violence against women and girls than men. If we take incarcerated transwomen, the data there suggests they are more likely than the average male prisoner.

Women have rights to BOTH safeguarding and privacy and dignity.

Trying to throw shade on this by prattling on about 'are you calling transwomen predators?' is DELIBERATELY trying to erase and forget women's rights to privacy and dignity from males AND fails to acknowledge that well intended idiots can put people at risk when they fail to stick to the complete letter of safeguarding.

Safeguarding is not something that is negotiable, open to consultation or interpretation. The whole point is that it is hard and fast and black and white.