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European Convention on Human Rights

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JellySaurus · 06/08/2025 23:13

ARTICLE 8 the right to respect for private and family life, and Article 12 the right to marry, are used as to justify the requirement for the UK government to legally recognise people as the opposite sex. (Redundant, now that same-sex marriage is legal.)

8.1 Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.

But why is 8.2, which is not mentioned in Article 12 but appears in similar form in many other Articles, not used as an argument for removing the GRA from our law?

8.2 There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

Enabling men to access female single-sex spaces has resulted in crimes: women and girls being assaulted and raped. Medical transition causes long-term ill-health. Telling children that they may not be the sex they are, or that they have to pretend that somebody is not the sex they are, is immoral as it subverts safeguarding. Multiple court cases have demonstrated that transgenderism illegally restricts the rights and freedoms of others.

Isn’t it time to recognise this?

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RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 12:30

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:26

A trans person can tell people what HRT does to trans people. I'm not sure what about that you're taking issue with?

Really?

BEHOLD!

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:29

MarieDeGournay · 09/08/2025 12:25

This sums up the injustice of the misinformation young people like you, AYoungTransWoman, have been subjected to -

The truth is that you can take all the steps in the world from here to eternity and nothing will change your biology - no amount of hormones, no amount of surgery, hormones and surgery will just store up ongoing health issues for you.

Whoever has sold you the untruth that you can stop being a man and become a woman, via dangerous medical and surgical interventions, has done you a great disservice and denied you the kind of fact-based, non-harmful, support you needed for gender issues.

You deserved better. You deserve to have been told the important and incontrovertible fact that if you are born male, you will remain male, BUT you can be any kind of man you want, you don't have to fall into the gender stereotypes of what a man should be.

That's what 'Gender Critical' means - challenging the gender stereotypes that force young boys like you were into thinking they must be a woman because they don't feel like what society defines as A Man.

I grew up knowing that I could never be what society defines as A Woman, so I became my own kind of woman. Fortunately nobody ever suggested that if I refused to accept the stereotype of what a girl should be, I must be a boy, and thank heavens no one offered me hormones or surgery.

You weren't so lucky, and that's an indictment of the ideological rather than evidence and fact-based support that has been given recently to children who like us had difficulties with gender stereotypes and expectations.

There could be no such thing as gender stereotypes and I'd still be trans. Being trans has nothing to do with feminity or masculinity.

I am trans because the primary sex characteristics I was born with, and the secondary sex characteristics I developed before I stopped my puberty make me uncomfortable, and feel like they do not belong attached to me.

Most of the time I'm wearing the most gender neutral clothing I can because its comfortable. I have never cared about masculinity or femininity, they're both bullshit.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2025 12:28

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:25

Yes.

What about those “trans women” who don’t have any medical treatments? Should they use the men’s?

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:26

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 12:25

It's not altering your biology.

Hey everyone a man has arrived to tell us all what hrt does.

A trans person can tell people what HRT does to trans people. I'm not sure what about that you're taking issue with?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2025 12:26

SerendipityJane · 09/08/2025 11:01

All human rights are enumerated within the framework of having to run a country. That's why they are qualified.

For example everyone has the right to liberty. Yet we can lock people up. Because it turns out that being naughty isn't a human right.

Even the right to life is qualified - after all France was happily decapitating wrong'uns into the 70s.

Good points!

ItsCoolForCats · 09/08/2025 12:26

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:20

I am a woman, so I will not use men's spaces. You don't get to pick and choose which women deserve equal rights

Tall women, short women, lesbians, bisexual women, butch women, black women, Asian women, white women, athletic women, old women, young women etc etc can all use women's single sex spaces.

All men, including those that identity as women, can not.

MarieDeGournay · 09/08/2025 12:25

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:07

I'm a woman because I am transsexual with gender dysphoria and have taken steps to alter my biology. I have taken hormones, and I am getting surgery.

I haven't just put a dress on and voila, that's not what a trans person is.

This sums up the injustice of the misinformation young people like you, AYoungTransWoman, have been subjected to -

The truth is that you can take all the steps in the world from here to eternity and nothing will change your biology - no amount of hormones, no amount of surgery, hormones and surgery will just store up ongoing health issues for you.

Whoever has sold you the untruth that you can stop being a man and become a woman, via dangerous medical and surgical interventions, has done you a great disservice and denied you the kind of fact-based, non-harmful, support you needed for gender issues.

You deserved better. You deserve to have been told the important and incontrovertible fact that if you are born male, you will remain male, BUT you can be any kind of man you want, you don't have to fall into the gender stereotypes of what a man should be.

That's what 'Gender Critical' means - challenging the gender stereotypes that force young boys like you were into thinking they must be a woman because they don't feel like what society defines as A Man.

I grew up knowing that I could never be what society defines as A Woman, so I became my own kind of woman. Fortunately nobody ever suggested that if I refused to accept the stereotype of what a girl should be, I must be a boy, and thank heavens no one offered me hormones or surgery.

You weren't so lucky, and that's an indictment of the ideological rather than evidence and fact-based support that has been given recently to children who like us had difficulties with gender stereotypes and expectations.

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 12:25

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:24

I literally have though, do you know what HRT actually does to trans people?

It's not altering your biology.

Hey everyone a man has arrived to tell us all what hrt does.

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:25

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2025 12:21

So you’re a “transmedicalist” then?

Yes.

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:24

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 12:21

You can't alter your biology! The fact you think you can is actually quite worrying. You've been sold a lie.

I literally have though, do you know what HRT actually does to trans people?

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 12:24

Weirdly enough I've literally just walked into a taproom. Past the 'for everyone' toilet.

There is also a male and female one.

Banned my arse.

SerendipityJane · 09/08/2025 12:23

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2025 12:21

So you’re a “transmedicalist” then?

They are definitely something

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 12:22

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:20

I am a woman, so I will not use men's spaces. You don't get to pick and choose which women deserve equal rights

Ok.

We get the message.

You want to disrespect women.

Got it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2025 12:21

So you’re a “transmedicalist” then?

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 12:21

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:07

I'm a woman because I am transsexual with gender dysphoria and have taken steps to alter my biology. I have taken hormones, and I am getting surgery.

I haven't just put a dress on and voila, that's not what a trans person is.

You can't alter your biology! The fact you think you can is actually quite worrying. You've been sold a lie.

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:20

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 12:19

  1. the plan is to encourage third spaces. We suggest you campaign for it
  2. you aren't banned. You are choosing not to use them. There's a difference
  3. mens problems are not for women to fix. If you have an issue with men take it up with the men. We are not here as second class citizens to your desires.
  4. we don't want you in the women's because males in female spaces make them less safe for us.

I am a woman, so I will not use men's spaces. You don't get to pick and choose which women deserve equal rights

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:20

summerbreeze10 · 09/08/2025 12:13

So what is a trans person, @AYoungTransWoman ? If it is not clothing, what is it? Does it require hormones and surgery?

It requires gender Dysphoria, which naturally leads to hormones

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2025 12:19

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 11:23

I'm banned from using the toilet. It's not safe for women to use the mens

  1. the plan is to encourage third spaces. We suggest you campaign for it
  2. you aren't banned. You are choosing not to use them. There's a difference
  3. mens problems are not for women to fix. If you have an issue with men take it up with the men. We are not here as second class citizens to your desires.
  4. we don't want you in the women's because males in female spaces make them less safe for us.
summerbreeze10 · 09/08/2025 12:13

So what is a trans person, @AYoungTransWoman ? If it is not clothing, what is it? Does it require hormones and surgery?

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 12:07

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 09/08/2025 11:28

You're not a woman

how does one look like a woman? Are women who wear trousers and have a buzz cut not women?

i mean do you ever stop to think how bloody insulting it is for a man to pop on a dress, grow his hair, put on done make up and e voila! Woman!

of course none of the biological
inconveniences of womanhood like periods or pregnancy or menopause. No lifetime of female socialisation to be nice, no being ignored - that's how we know TW are men because if they were actually women they'd be ignored

your level of contempt for women is breathtaking

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I'm a woman because I am transsexual with gender dysphoria and have taken steps to alter my biology. I have taken hormones, and I am getting surgery.

I haven't just put a dress on and voila, that's not what a trans person is.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2025 11:54

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 10:39

It wouldn't strike down the supreme court, it would state that the UK is incompatibile with human rights law. The currently government is bad, but not bad enough where they would refuse to follow the law

Whether it violates women’s human rights (it does) for men to be allowed to oppress women in this way has never been tested by the ECHR, has it? Bring it on, I say.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2025 11:52

Myalternate · 09/08/2025 10:45

Transwomen are men.

Can’t be bothered to expand on this argument because Transwomen can’t be reasoned with.

Exactly. There’s literally no point trying to argue with that level of ideological blinkeredness.

EsmeWeatherwaxHatpin · 09/08/2025 11:35

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 11:23

I'm banned from using the toilet. It's not safe for women to use the mens

We know. That’s we don’t want men in ladies loos. Whatever you wear.

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 09/08/2025 11:28

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 11:00

I am a woman, I look like a woman so I use women's spaces. There my spaces too.

You're not a woman

how does one look like a woman? Are women who wear trousers and have a buzz cut not women?

i mean do you ever stop to think how bloody insulting it is for a man to pop on a dress, grow his hair, put on done make up and e voila! Woman!

of course none of the biological
inconveniences of womanhood like periods or pregnancy or menopause. No lifetime of female socialisation to be nice, no being ignored - that's how we know TW are men because if they were actually women they'd be ignored

your level of contempt for women is breathtaking

AYoungTransWoman · 09/08/2025 11:23

EsmeWeatherwaxHatpin · 09/08/2025 11:09

But you aren’t banned from using a loo. The expectation is just that you use the toilet of your sex.

Not your identity. Not your wish. Not your gender. Not your expression. Not your outfit. Not your makeup. Your sex.

Being “stealth” just means you’re abusive and demonstrating stereotypical patterns of male behaviour.

I'm banned from using the toilet. It's not safe for women to use the mens