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Woman granted refugee status after facing prison for misgendering

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ArabellaScott · 06/08/2025 21:11

https://reduxx.info/exclusive-brazilian-woman-granted-refugee-status-in-europe-after-facing-25-year-sentence-for-misgendering-trans-politician/

'In a precedent-setting move, a European country has officially granted full refugee protections to a Brazilian women’s rights activist who was facing 25 years in prison in her home country for misgendering a transgender politician. Isabella Cêpa is the first person to be recognized as a victim of state persecution for her outspoken opposition to gender identity ideology.'

I'm sure Amnesty will be in touch in due course.

EXCLUSIVE: Brazilian Woman Granted Refugee Status in Europe After Facing 25-Year Sentence for ‘Misgendering’ Trans Politician - Reduxx

In a precedent-setting move, a European country has officially granted full refugee protections to a Brazilian women’s rights activist who was facing 25 years in prison in her home country for misgendering a transgender politician. Isabella Cêpa is the...

https://reduxx.info/exclusive-brazilian-woman-granted-refugee-status-in-europe-after-facing-25-year-sentence-for-misgendering-trans-politician/

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Bumblebee72 · 07/08/2025 13:30

I will add Brazil to the list of countries not to visit.

miraxxx · 07/08/2025 13:11

Thus far it is a single source story. The European conservative is echoing the Reduxx story. Their X account repeats the Reduxx story. I am not saying the quote is fake just that it is not formalised in their official channels other than X. They are definitely GC and a legitimate NGO. Their website : https://www.associacaomatria.com/

https://x.com/MATRIAoficial/status/1953168532704817349

MATRIA Associação de mulheres, mães e trabalhadoras do Brasil | Organização de Mulheres

MATRIA - Associação de Mulheres, Mães e Trabalhadoras do Brasil é uma organização com atuação voltada inteiramente para a defesa das mulheres e crianças brasileiras.

https://www.associacaomatria.com

miraxxx · 07/08/2025 13:03

ArabellaScott · 07/08/2025 12:59

Thanks. So perhaps only 2 to 5 years in a Brazilian jail for misgendering?

And a potential doubling if a group does it. There is a real case so far with only the heavy fine, almost USD 15 000.

ArabellaScott · 07/08/2025 12:59

miraxxx · 07/08/2025 12:56

This story - concerning as it is - remains unverified outside Reduxx and European Conservative. I'd like more corroboration as I find the notion of a 25 year sentence preposterous. Extraordinary stories need evidence to back them up.

From Chatgpt:

In 2019, Brazil’s Supreme Federal Court (STF) ruled that homophobia and transphobia are to be prosecuted under the country’s anti-racism law, a designation with serious legal implications . This means that intentionally misgendering someone—depending on context—could be seen as a hate crime.

  1. Criminal Penalties for Transphobic Speech
Following this decision, slurs or derogatory speech targeting LGBTQ+ individuals are punishable by imprisonment. The STF confirmed that such speech can result in 2 to 5 years in prison, plus fines, with penalties potentially doubled if carried out by multiple perpetrators. Catholic News Agency.
  1. Application to Public Officials
One illustrative case involved politician Nikolas Ferreira, who intentionally misgendered a transgender councilor. Though no explicit misgendering statute exists, the courts treated it as a hate offense under the anti-racism law framework. In April 2023, Nikolas Ferreira was convicted, in first and second instance, and made to pay a compensation of R$80,000 for moral damages against Duda Salabert.Wikipedia.

Thanks. So perhaps only 2 to 5 years in a Brazilian jail for misgendering?

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ArabellaScott · 07/08/2025 12:57

Bipedal apes with overdeveloped frontal lobes have always had tendencies to go a bit awry. We confuse ourselves constantly. I blame language, personally.

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miraxxx · 07/08/2025 12:56

This story - concerning as it is - remains unverified outside Reduxx and European Conservative. I'd like more corroboration as I find the notion of a 25 year sentence preposterous. Extraordinary stories need evidence to back them up.

From Chatgpt:

In 2019, Brazil’s Supreme Federal Court (STF) ruled that homophobia and transphobia are to be prosecuted under the country’s anti-racism law, a designation with serious legal implications . This means that intentionally misgendering someone—depending on context—could be seen as a hate crime.

  1. Criminal Penalties for Transphobic Speech
Following this decision, slurs or derogatory speech targeting LGBTQ+ individuals are punishable by imprisonment. The STF confirmed that such speech can result in 2 to 5 years in prison, plus fines, with penalties potentially doubled if carried out by multiple perpetrators. Catholic News Agency.
  1. Application to Public Officials
One illustrative case involved politician Nikolas Ferreira, who intentionally misgendered a transgender councilor. Though no explicit misgendering statute exists, the courts treated it as a hate offense under the anti-racism law framework. In April 2023, Nikolas Ferreira was convicted, in first and second instance, and made to pay a compensation of R$80,000 for moral damages against Duda Salabert.Wikipedia.

Brazil’s Supreme Court rules anti-homosexual slurs are punishable by prison

With the decision, transphobia and homophobia will be punished with sentences of two to five years of imprisonment in addition to the payment of a fine.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/255174/brazil-s-supreme-court-rules-anti-homosexual-slurs-are-punishable-by-prison?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Beowulfa · 07/08/2025 12:55

RightOnTheEdge · 07/08/2025 12:26

Those news stories are an absolute horror show!

It's a shame they are not so bothered about women's rights and protecting the rights of indigenous people.

Maybe all the indigenous people should identify as trans.

AgnesX · 07/08/2025 12:54

The world is going bonkers and this is a prime example.

Sometimes I really don't like it very much at all.

ArabellaScott · 07/08/2025 12:51

Are UK trans activists going to tell us that Brazil is a beacon of gender utopia?

Actually, given the murders of trans identifying males prostitutes there, ot makes sense that there is a need for protection of this demographic.

Arresting feminists for misgendering, rather than violent male punters, seems an odd way to achieve this.

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miraxxx · 07/08/2025 12:45

ArabellaScott · 07/08/2025 12:43

Not to mention the horrific rates of femicide.

They are classic macho misogynist societies and men are centred at every turn. So the trans thing is not surprising. Shades of Iran and Pakistan. Also India to a lesser extent.

ArabellaScott · 07/08/2025 12:43

miraxxx · 07/08/2025 12:31

Latino countries are often left off the hook for their abhorrent abortion policies because all the attention is focussed on the US or other places where considered rightwing like Poland. It is a politically tribal culture war rather than genuine concern for women that informs the abortion talk. I switch off when I hear of abortions rights being restricted in the US or UK, sorry I care more about abortion rights in the Philippines. Western feminists have a distorted and unreal perspective of the global abortion issue. They tend to follow their tribal leaders. Abortion rights in Brazil are ignored when darling Lola is in charge but suddenly a burning issue when a right wing devil comes to power.

Not to mention the horrific rates of femicide.

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SprayWhiteDung · 07/08/2025 12:40

nauticant · 07/08/2025 12:03

Now that we've received Isabella Cêpa over on this side, could we enable one of the prominent trans activists who is facing unbearable oppression following the SC judgment to move over to Brazil?

It's extremely tempting... but if this is how Brazil is already in their ferocity to centre one group and severely punish those who dare to calmly express different beliefs, I really don't think we would want to send one of our TRAs there to add extra fuel to their already out-of-control anti-GC fire.

Whilst their grossly appropriating racism to win their own personal cause is reprehensible, this does kind of remind me of the old social commentary 'joke' during apartheid-era South Africa, about three men in prison.

The first white man says that he was given 5 years for robbery, but he heard he would have got 10 years if he'd had a weapon; the second white man says that he was given 15 years for manslaughter, but was told it would have been 25 years if intent to kill could have been proven; the black man says that he was given 30 years for riding his bike without lights, but he was 'lucky', as he would have been given a mandatory whole-of-life term if it hadn't been noon on a bright summer's day.

Whilst the false association with racism in the Brazil case are obviously beyond disgusting, there clearly is one ultra privileged, untouchable class there.

TeaAndStrumpets · 07/08/2025 12:36

nauticant · 07/08/2025 12:03

Now that we've received Isabella Cêpa over on this side, could we enable one of the prominent trans activists who is facing unbearable oppression following the SC judgment to move over to Brazil?

I know you speak in jest but actually some sort of Victim Exchange Treaty is a logical conclusion to this insanity.

miraxxx · 07/08/2025 12:32

Is racist abuse - hurty words, not bodily assault or murder- worth 25 years in the slammer? If you say yes, you are part of the problem.

miraxxx · 07/08/2025 12:31

JellySaurus · 07/08/2025 09:37

Brazil, that bastion of human rights, where abortion is banned and a pregnant woman (and her HCPs) can be imprisoned for it. I wonder which is considered the more serious crime, killing an embryo or foetus, or hurting a man's feelings.

Let's compare the penalties applied to women doing these things:

Abortion: 1 - 5 years, or a fine.
Hurty feels: 5 - 25 years, and unemployability.

Latino countries are often left off the hook for their abhorrent abortion policies because all the attention is focussed on the US or other places where considered rightwing like Poland. It is a politically tribal culture war rather than genuine concern for women that informs the abortion talk. I switch off when I hear of abortions rights being restricted in the US or UK, sorry I care more about abortion rights in the Philippines. Western feminists have a distorted and unreal perspective of the global abortion issue. They tend to follow their tribal leaders. Abortion rights in Brazil are ignored when darling Lola is in charge but suddenly a burning issue when a right wing devil comes to power.

SprayWhiteDung · 07/08/2025 12:27

Kucinghitam · 07/08/2025 06:50

I'm curious. Do any of these countries impose similarly huge fines or prison sentences for any other forms of "naughty speech" or is it just The One Special Characteristic?

Edit: Or what @WhatterySquash said more eloquently Blush

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Worse than that: they've tacked it on to racism laws, for whatever reason or agenda they believed that to be sensible.

Now, if you hurl vile, nasty racist abuse at somebody and threaten them with (or actually perpetrate) violence for nothing more than being of a different racial heritage from you - that is no worse than respectfully and calmly asking a man who hasn't even bothered to shave off his beard and moustache in his attempt to 'pass' as a woman to use the correct toilets for his sex.

RightOnTheEdge · 07/08/2025 12:26

Those news stories are an absolute horror show!

It's a shame they are not so bothered about women's rights and protecting the rights of indigenous people.

nauticant · 07/08/2025 12:03

Now that we've received Isabella Cêpa over on this side, could we enable one of the prominent trans activists who is facing unbearable oppression following the SC judgment to move over to Brazil?

PriOn1 · 07/08/2025 12:02

This is both astonishing (in the level of punishment) and positive in that a country, somewhere in Europe does not consider a prison sentence for correctly sexing a man is appropriate.

Obviously the detail about which country is being kept private, but whichever it is, thank goodness there is one.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/08/2025 12:01

Helleofabore · 07/08/2025 09:41

The punishment is so dis-proportionate. When the fuck did people’s hurt feelings at being identified as their correct sex become a crime to this degree?

It is madness.

Well, a crime to any degree at all, or even a ‘hate incident’.

ArabellaScott · 07/08/2025 11:34

TwelvePercent · 07/08/2025 11:23

This is absolutely terrifying.
Deny what everyone knows to be true or you lose your liberty.

Orwellian.

Yep. That's the whole point.

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TwelvePercent · 07/08/2025 11:23

This is absolutely terrifying.
Deny what everyone knows to be true or you lose your liberty.

Orwellian.

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 07/08/2025 10:51

An asylum claim I would support 100%

ArabellaScott · 07/08/2025 10:14

Yes, Brazil and some other countries are insane. The point Anna Slatz made was that this may be the first 'gender critical' refugee, and how that might impact on global discussions. Reem Alsalem has done good work on behalf of the UN, here. Women are being persecuted for feminism, that's undeniable. Yet it has been denied, and continues to be denied. Even in the UK.

We've made huge progress in the UK in protecting women's rights to meet and talk about issues pertaining to our sex. But the social awareness and acknowledgement of the wrongs that have been done is not much there yet.

People in polite society pretend that the women who've lost jobs, been harassed, attacked, hounded, threatened, beaten for being feminists were just difficult, horrible, nasty women. Politicians and most people now agree that women deserve rights, and yes, single sex spaces are sensible, and puberty blockers are not okay for children. As if all of these things came about mysteriously by themselves.

Somehow, women's rights have been protected despite these women being so awful, rather than because of their hard work, sacrifices, time, campaigning, letters written, conversations, secret meetings, organising and courage. They won't admit to reading Mumsnet, or columns by brave women journalists who left or were booted out of the Right Thinking media, or watching Magdalen Berns' youtube videos. They may reluctantly and quietly share the views of all these horrible nasty bitches and harpies, and think that somehow the sensible Supreme Court has got it right and made the correct decision, even with all those annoying women daring to smile and laugh and make toasts because the judges accidentally agreed with them. They won't openly support them, and think they can forget what was done to them.

They turn a blind eye to those in power who have supported, enabled, and in some cases participated in this abuse and oppression. They think they can continue now that everyone's happy, discreetly throw those difficult women under the bus, and move on while still waving their fucking emoticon flags and pretending the war was won without cost.

Sturgeon, I'm looking at you.

Edinburgh Book Festival, I'm looking at you.

Women's rights are human rights. This isn't over yet.

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WhatterySquash · 07/08/2025 10:12

Kucinghitam · 07/08/2025 06:50

I'm curious. Do any of these countries impose similarly huge fines or prison sentences for any other forms of "naughty speech" or is it just The One Special Characteristic?

Edit: Or what @WhatterySquash said more eloquently Blush

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You’re right, it’s not just “misgendering” non-trans people that’s not a crime. What about calling someone fat, or old, or short? Whether they are or are not, it would be insanity to make that a crime, never mind one with a huge prison sentence. It may mean you’re insensitive or rude but you can’t make it a crime to be anything other than kind/controlled by other people’s demands at all times.

While I find this horrifying, part of me also thinks/hope that totally preposterous scenes like this are part of the process of genderism reaching its ultimate totally ludicrous grotesqueness, and that that’s a sign of its imminent collapse, because you can’t sustain departing from reality to this extent for long. For one thing it will clog up the courts and prisons, if butthurt TW can punish women this way, and the public will oppose it.