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Work has a ‘Leadership Development Programme’ for Women and Ethnic Minority People

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LaundryLoop · 06/08/2025 14:49

Right, so I’ll admit that when I’m writing this I’m emotional. I wasn’t sure where else to go to express and check this. I’ve posted and lurked on here for a while under a different username but want to remain completely anonymous so posting this under a new name.

I work for a big company (I’ll stay vague on which one) which has a Leadership Development Programme for Women and Ethnic Minority people. They are grouped together for the purpose of the programme. We’ve been getting communications about this programme recently but it’s been going on for a while I think. After following the Supreme Court clarification closely, I’ve read up a lot about the law in this space and positive action and I don’t understand how this programme can exist. Surely the programme should be for women or ethnic minority people. In my view, women face very specific barriers to career progression which need to be addressed separately. It does a disservice to both groups and they should split them out.

I checked this with ChatGPT (I’m no lawyer) and it seems to be right:
Even if different groups (e.g. women and ethnic minority groups) each have their own evidence of disadvantage and their own proportionate justification, you still cannot lawfully treat them as a single positive action group. The Equality Act 2010 requires that positive action be based on a specific protected characteristic. Combining different characteristics into one undifferentiated group obscures the legal basis for action, risks unlawful discrimination, and fails the test of legal clarity and proportionality under Section 158.

That accurately reflects what I’ve read on here.

So…I raised it. I was immediately shut down and told that I didn’t understand the law and that so long as there is justification which shows systemic disadvantage for those two groups then it’s okay. This morning I was pulled into a room full of men and belittled and spoken down to. I’m writing this having just stopped crying. I was made to feel stupid in front of my manager who I feel already dislikes me for reasons beyond my control and related to gender. I tried to make it clear that I think the programme is a good idea, the groups should just be split out.

Can any legal experts on here confirm if I’m right in this? I would appreciate any advice on what to do next, although I’m not sure I can continue raising concerns in this kind of environment.

OP posts:
ThirdStorm · 06/08/2025 15:33

I can't imagine as a white women I would be the best choice of network for an ethic minority man. I'm a nice person don't get me wrong and network with lots of people from a wide range of backgrounds but I have no great understanding or affinity about ethic minority challenges, bias etc that an ethic minority man might face in the workplace as a white women. In your shoes @LaundryLoop I'd refuse my place on the program. Such an oversight on their part.

dylexicdementor11 · 06/08/2025 15:32

LaundryLoop · 06/08/2025 15:11

I have read Section 158, I just needed to check with Chat GPT because they made me feel crazy.

ChatGBT makes up nonsense. As the precious poster said - please do not use it to fact-check.

RoyalCorgi · 06/08/2025 15:31

Based on my understanding of the EqualityAct, what you're arguing seems right, OP, but I don't know if it is or not. You definitely need a lawyer who specialises in this area to answer the question.

I realise this isn't the most useful answer, but wanted to keep the post near the top. I think it's an important question.

Soontobe60 · 06/08/2025 15:24

If the programme is specifically for ‘women and ethnic minority people’ then any woman and any ethnic minority person can apply. So potentially the course could be 100% White female or 100% male ethnic minorities. Dave from accounts with his blonde hair and blue eyes could cite discrimination on the grounds of ethnicity if his sister Sheila from HR got a place despite not being of an ethnic minority. It’s a shit show!

LaundryLoop · 06/08/2025 15:23

Thanks @ThirdStorm. I agree, this is their position. I’ll need to choose my battles carefully.

The place they intend to send their ethnic minority men is on this programme…with women. They’ve just pushed the two groups together.

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ThirdStorm · 06/08/2025 15:17

Not a legal expert. I've been on a women's leadership program and absolutely expected it to be a space for women. With training adapted for women (ie gender roles in the work place are alive and well and as you progress it takes quite a bit of effort to get past them). And networking with other women. Ethnic minority or not, but still women. Where does your employer propose sending their ethic minority men?! Sorry to hear you've been made to feel like this but I think this is your employer telling you their position whether you agree or not.

LaundryLoop · 06/08/2025 15:11

ScaryM0nster · 06/08/2025 15:08

You need to start by not checking with ChatGPT.

Itll take posts like this and repeat them presented as fact. Go and read up on what the equality act actually says.

I have read Section 158, I just needed to check with Chat GPT because they made me feel crazy.

OP posts:
ScaryM0nster · 06/08/2025 15:08

You need to start by not checking with ChatGPT.

Itll take posts like this and repeat them presented as fact. Go and read up on what the equality act actually says.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 06/08/2025 15:05

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