Reform gets confused by men in dresses

In the meantime those men who ID as women frequently get no jail time (even when they are violent offenders) because the judges perceive them to be so vulnerable that they can't possibly send them to prison...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/27/hammer-wielding-wine-thief-spared-prison-transgender/

Yes. That man has committed to this for 30 years, he's earned the right to use women as support humans for his validation.

Even if we look at it from an individual rights perspective, what about those women's rights? There are reasons we don't have mixed sex prisons and it's not because every single male prisoner would be a threat to women's safety. Men shouldn't be in women's spaces. Not even nice, harmless men.

It's so depressing to realise there are that many men out there who don't seem to see women as fully human. They don't even realise that they're putting the cross-dressing man's rights above women's. They claim that there's no conflict.

That would be the kiss of death for Reform. Never going to happen.

He said it was a matter of a risk assessment. Vanessa Frake had said case by case risk assessment. They think we're stupid.

As things stand I won’t be voting for any of them.

I think their best hope is to do a deal with the Tories. They can’t be dismissed as easily as some posters might hope, though.

Indeed. The other parties don’t even need to placate the trans lobby, they aren’t in a position to change the law.

Im i imagining things or did see a press conference where he said he wasnt an expert on prisions and would defer to those who were? Then laughed?

Im not going to vote for him, so what do i care, but hes as slippery as the rest of them.

Nigel seems to have updated his views on the matter. If you don’t want to or can’t look on X apparently he’s never supported men in women’s prisons.

https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1952673173587055002?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

I dont think its the EqA that allows men into womens prisons. And i know that its been going on for longer than the EqA or the GRA.

But it would be odd for women and female to mean significantly different things in different laws

As I say, if you can't find a few threads that were clearly started to peddle an agenda of an unstoppable Reform revolution than maybe I am being overly cynical.

I am hoping that such self awareness will prove a vaccine against the Reformabollocks I fear.

We have to be mindfull of the man who has spent 30 years living as a women, who is in prision for, presumably, jaywalking.

Surely putting men in women's prisons would require a law change now with the SC ruling. Does anyone know if all the men in women's prisons have been removed to the male estate now? If not surely it is only a matter of time before there will be a legal challenge. There was a JR previously wasn't there. I wonder if that would have succeeded now?

They either exist or they don't. Mumsnet is a big place. Just link what you mean and we can see what you are going on about.

Thats the problem with all small parties, especially change ones. They just dont have to people to parade around who have had experience.

So hes using people like frake who have experience. But shes part of the establishment who fucked it up in the first place.

Reform candidate Andrew Southall has posted the following on Twitter.

'There’s been some confusion about Reform UK’s stance following today’s press conference. Let me be crystal clear: Reform UK does NOT support putting biological men in women’s prisons. Vanessa Frake is an adviser, not a policy maker. Reform will always put women’s safety first; no ifs, no buts. The left want to twist this because they know we’re gaining ground. They want to make Reform look weak on the one issue we’ve never budged on: reality. Well here’s reality: Women’s spaces must be protected. Sex-based rights matter. And no man, no matter how he identifies, belongs in a women’s prison if there’s any risk to safety. '

Note the final sentence: 'And no man, no matter how he identifies, belongs in a women’s prison if there’s any risk to safety.'

So while appearing to say they won't allow men in women's prisons, they are still saying they only won't allow men in women's prisons 'if there's any risk to safety'

Clowns.

Every party has to appeal to a wide base, and therefore gives contradictory messsges.

But if people are voting for Forage and expect change, the let down is going to be greater than whats happened over the last few years.

The torries let the electorate down and they were voted out. No one really believed labour would do anything, and didnt get a good victory, therefore the anger isnt there. More that everyone knew Starmer was going to be bad, but not this bad.

The expectation is high for reform. And i dont think they even want to deliver.

Women in prison are compelled to accept men claiming to be women in their cells, showers etc. They will be punished for "transphobia" if they voice any complaint. That's because transactivists captured the Ministry of Justice, the Home Office and the Prison Service years ago.
So the ex prison governor won't have heard any complaints from women locked up. They'd be punished for doing so.

All part of the silencing of women to accepting voyeurism and indecent exposure without complaint.

😂 Like, er, whole countries? Government departments? Has he even learned how to be a constituency MP yet?

Ive heard that Farage needs a wider base to get the support needed to form a government.

Especially in a FPTP system, the electoral maths means that to get anywhere near power, Reform needs people to vote for it that (for example) are committed EU rejoiners. And these people hate Farage. There are other oxymorons too. A word that seems so appropriate when talking about Reforms policy panderings.

If you can't find them, then my hypothesis may be faulty ....

Yes, the thing about the 'men in women's prisons on a case by case basis' suggests he's given no real thought to the issue at all...and like many other men see it as a non issue...but it also, worryingly, suggests that he might well extend that type of thinking or assumption to other types of single sex space too.

And yes, if Reform should win it is going to be an even bigger mess than it is now with Starmer - in terms of delivery on manifesto commitments. He'll be like Trump.....will immediately issue a lot of 'bans' on certain types of things to make it look like he means business....but fail to achieve anything significant in the long run.

Like Starmer before him his main job is to get Reform elected and he'll say whatever he thinks he needs to say to do so...but once in power we'll find he doesn't actually really stand for anything much at all......except his freedom to smoke cigarettes in the pub and say provocative things about migrants.

Are you talking about other boards on MN? I've never seen such a thing here.

Ive heard that Farage needs a wider base to get the support needed to form a government.

I think hes appealing to an imaginary middle voterwho wouldn't vote for him normally, but see a progressive policy and be swayed. He's appointed people who go against what a lot of people would imagine a typical reform voter would want.

I dont know about the other issues, but regarding men in womens prisions, it demonstrates a lack of understanding of the 'middle voter' and safeguarding

. Its extreme to want men in women prisions, even the often used trope of 30 years living as a women, ones.

It also shows that he hasn't an opinion on a lot of issues that have been talking points for the public for a long time.

I dont think he's as forward thinking or the natural leader many assume. He's often seems to need a long time to understand, and its only because the main parties stubbornly refused to see the problem with immigrant that he looked on top of the issue.

If he does get to power, i predict a lot of people are going to be disappointed.

Why do women in positions of power use their influence against other women?

Especially the most vulnerable?