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FeralWoman · 05/08/2025 11:27

Sall Grover today looking like a badass.

https://x.com/boswelltoday/status/1952656627057713178

Giggle v Tickle Federal Court Day 2
Giggle v Tickle Federal Court Day 2
FeralWoman · 05/08/2025 11:25

A Twitter Spaces discussion involving many of the same women as last night. It’s live right now. Hosted by English_RoseG.
https://x.com/English_RoseG/status/1952670392809865308

https://x.com/English_RoseG/status/1952670392809865308

TheSandgroper · 05/08/2025 09:35

This is what they are all picking over

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r5026

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TheSandgroper · 05/08/2025 09:25

@FeralWoman Biology reality all the way.

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Absentmindedsmile · 05/08/2025 09:22

Fuck. It’s become clearer, sorry for not getting that. Jesus Christ what has she done (it was the hey day of ‘be kind’ I suppose 🤢). The legal minds here then on SG side, need to be miracle workers. Because the SDA needs changing, again. Mind you if JG managed it - so easily (?) - it might be reasonable to hope that the JG update can be over turned.

FeralWoman · 05/08/2025 09:10

@TheSandgroper Was the lobbying anti single sex rights or pro single sex rights?

TheSandgroper · 05/08/2025 09:03

The Greens are firmly TWAW and they hold the balance of power in the Senate. I don’t trust the Teals to not Be Kind, either.

That being said, I spoke to Sen Michalia Cash last year and she said that Labor will never introduce a bill on the subject (I assume because A) they will never admit that they were wrong in the first place and B) they have to fight the Greens for every vote they receive so don’t want to bring attention to the subject). The Liberals (well, last year when they had more seats) were keeping an eye on the subject but waited for Giggle v Tickle at the High Court to be resolved.

Just about every member of the Parliament last year (note to non Australians, we had an election a couple of months ago and there are a lot of new members) was lobbied hard in the subject. People walked the corridors of the place and knocked on every door with hand outs. No one in the last Parliament can claim ignorance of the issue.

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FeralWoman · 05/08/2025 08:35

@Absentmindedsmile Correct. What you’re missing is that Australia has fucked up sex discrimination laws. In 2013 our first female Prime Minister oversaw amendments to the Sex Discrimination Act (SDA) that remove the word sex and replaced it with gender. Having the gender of a woman now means women and trans women (men). We have no right to single sex spaces. The federal government won’t touch removing the amendments. Senators have attempted to introduce private member’s bills about it and they’ve been denied even an initial reading of it. Immediate rejection. The federal opposition won’t touch it either because they got destroyed at the election and have no power. They need every vote they can get. They might look at amending it if they get back in power but they’re arseholes so hopefully they don’t get back into federal government for a long time. A ruling from a High Court appeal might open the way for Senators to get a bill read into Senate.

Absentmindedsmile · 05/08/2025 08:21

Can someone help me please? I’m totally lost in this case after 2 days.

The case: SG has a website for women only. Bloke appropriating a woman wants to join. SG says no it’s just for women. Bloke says but I am a woman. SG says no you’re not. Bloke says yes I am, and you’re mean so I’m taking you to court to make sure you let me in. Court cases ensue.

Surely the pivotal point here is ‘what is a woman?’ Why aren’t they even talking about that? What am I missing?

Redshoeblueshoe · 05/08/2025 08:20

Can you keep the next day's hearing on this page ? It makes it easier to follow TIA

TheSandgroper · 05/08/2025 07:45

Thanks @FeralWoman. There is stuff that I would like to refer back to.

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TheHereticalOne · 05/08/2025 07:26

Thanks for the info on this one. I was wondering whether there was a livestream.

GwenniMcKinney · 05/08/2025 07:25

FeralWoman · 05/08/2025 07:12

Wasn’t she going to finish her sentence and then the judges wanted a 5 minute break?

So few questions from the judges.

she interrupted her own sentence to ask if they wanted a break and the told her to continue on , so now it looks like they're going through until 4pm

GwenniMcKinney · 05/08/2025 07:22

Shedmistress · 05/08/2025 07:21

So, because he was wearing 'women's clothing' in the selfie she should have known he was a woman?

and had a woman's hairstyle and that he was joining the app

FeralWoman · 05/08/2025 07:22

Shedmistress · 05/08/2025 07:21

So, because he was wearing 'women's clothing' in the selfie she should have known he was a woman?

Don’t forget the hair. Lady hair. Ignore the beard stubble.

Shedmistress · 05/08/2025 07:21

FeralWoman · 05/08/2025 07:12

Wasn’t she going to finish her sentence and then the judges wanted a 5 minute break?

So few questions from the judges.

To be fair I listened for 5 minutes and needed a break.

Shedmistress · 05/08/2025 07:21

So, because he was wearing 'women's clothing' in the selfie she should have known he was a woman?

FeralWoman · 05/08/2025 07:12

Wasn’t she going to finish her sentence and then the judges wanted a 5 minute break?

So few questions from the judges.

TheSandgroper · 05/08/2025 07:02

I’m just thankful that when reading that “wanting to become pregnant” in the SDA, she didn’t say that it means trans woman.

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FeralWoman · 05/08/2025 06:56

So let me get this straight: you shouldn’t discriminate on a person’s appearance of being male or female, because that might not match their intrinsic identity, but you can’t ask for their intrinsic identity because that would be discriminatory. External appearance and internal feels don’t have to match but if you don’t guess the right one then you’re being discriminatory. WTF?

GwenniMcKinney · 05/08/2025 06:52

How do you chose the comparator? is asked and the answer example is using transman and them did she just say a cis female?

FeralWoman · 05/08/2025 06:51

Why is intersex included in all of this? We now know that all people are either male or female, even if they have a disorder of sexual development. Maybe it’s time to remove intersex/DSD from the legislation.

TheAutumnCrow · 05/08/2025 06:49

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/08/2025 06:43

Unless gender is also defined somewhere, that's an entirely circular definition.

Totally.

Cattywillow · 05/08/2025 06:47

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/08/2025 06:43

Unless gender is also defined somewhere, that's an entirely circular definition.

Yep.