The disgraceful RCN and Nurse Jennifer Melle

This sort of reflects how I feel. I don't have a problem with the nurse referring to a man as a man in a clinical context at all. It's quite possibly clinically necessary as PPs have said.
But to make this about her faith rather than clinical necessity, disturbs me somewhat. Why would someone's faith override patient centered care? What consequences does saying the rights of a medical professional to faith based freedom of speech is paramount, regardless of how much it distresses a patient, have for the vast majority of us who aren't Trans?
It feels to me like she's in the right, but for the wrong reasons.

Sure but patients will often be discussed with others and overheard.

Hi @RapidOnsetGenderCritic I was trying to narrow the discussion to a medical setting because of the specific responsibilities a medical professional has to their patient.

General principles of free speech evidently don't apply in a medical setting. I.e. the first principle of NMC is "prioritise patients".

I know less about religions other than Christianity, but many are working as healthcare professionals and using preferred pronouns. CofE has transgender vicars these days.

Some Christians still see marriage as only possible between a man and a woman. Does that mean they should be free to say:

"I'm sorry but I can't refer to such and such as your husband because of my Christian beliefs". ?

I'm also not sure how it can be unethical to refer to man/transgender woman as "she"?

The pronoun she would have used directly to him is you.

I don't care how lovely someone is, it must be permitted to use pronouns as they have been used for centuries, and as individual people have used them throughout their own lives. Pronouns are usually used automatically - we never used to consciously think about them, we just used them. It is totally unreasonable to demand that everyone override their natural language in this way.

And of course in a medical setting it is sometimes vitally important that the patient's sex is not mixed up with their irrelevant 'gender identity'.

On Jennifer Melle's faith position, it reinforces her discomfort with mis-sexing, as she not only sees it as untruthful to use identity-based pronouns, but if she is compelled to do so, I think she is (from her perspective) denying her faith. I don't have exactly the same perspective, but I think I can see hers. People with strong faith or culture perspectives have to decide what their boundaries are when there is a difference between their values and what is societally or legally acceptable or required. Those boundaries may be quite rigid or quite flexible. I personally draw a distinction between what the law does not permit (and accept that I must not break the law, or at least knowingly accept the consequences) and what the law (or society) requires me to participate in. The latter may be coercive, and I may have a faith-based duty to resist, for example not to participate in medical treatment which I believe to be unethical even if the law permits it. We are in trouble as a society if we make it impossible for Christians or Buddhists or atheists or Muslims to be nurses or physios or doctors, for example.

@ArabellaScott thanks for the clear answer.

Do you think this is the case as well supposing the nurse knows someone is transgender and others a friend/colleague may not?

If it may be "outing" them so to speak?

Is it relevant how distressing the person may find it?

She's been vilified for daring to speak up. These brave nurses are all expected to STFU and not point out that HE IS A MAN.

I hope that Nurse Melle receives all the support she needs to seek the damages she rightly deserves.

The term "gender critical" is such a ridiculous phrase, designed to muddy the waters about the simplest possible fact of life. There are men, and there are women. It really is that simple.

Obviously I'm going to be pounced on for this...

Suppose this was a lovely 70 year old transwoman called "Debbie" in hospital. Should it still be acceptable for medical professionals to use male pronouns for Debbie and/or refuse to use female pronouns?

Quote below:
"Melle explained (to the patient) that she could not use female pronouns due to her Christian faith but offered to use the patient’s chosen name."

My understanding is currently medical professionals in the NHS are required to use preferred pronouns for transgender patients.

It truly seems as if the NHS considers nurses to be disposable and infinitely replaceable.
Women are easy sacrifices in purity competitions. All too often it’s women egging on their status as sacrificial offerings - see the High Priestesses and vengeful colleagues of NHS Fife.

ETA See also the NMC.

The world is upside down. The nurse needs a formal apology & financial damages. The male pedophile needs to be unable to access medical care until he can be civil to all HCPs. (I know it doesn’t work like that, but it should)

I am retired now thank goodness. I think it would be a very good thing if every single non- captured nurse joined the Darlington Nurses union

Words fail me...

In what world is a woman of colour trying to do her job and speaking the truth in the face of shocking abuse the bad guy here?

Yes, big success was Higgs v Farmors School which went all the way to the Court of Appeal which is good for all of us. https://www.hilldickinson.com/insights/articles/landmark-court-appeal-judgement-higgs-v-farmors-school-school-workers-dismissal

This is sickening. Is this MAN being prosecuted for racially abusing Jennifer?

Can The NHS afford to lose a dedicated nurse?

Exactly! He was transferred from a male prison with male prison officers which had already given the game away long before this nurse uttered a word. I hope she wins substantial compensation for the appalling way her Employer and Union has behaved.

I'm glad Christian Concern take these cases up: I can recall a few teachers being supported by them. So many cases needing funding for this insanity.

So the nurse hasn't actually been told what she's done wrong (in their eyes) as the actual nature of the breach hasn't been disclosed. The hospital I worked in was rebuilt and lots of it became more open plan, which looks nice, but when you needed to make a confidential phone call (a frequent occurrence) there was a real shortage of places to do that and you'd have to unplug a phone and take it into a distant office.

Not difficult to 'breach confidentiality' in those circumstances.

’He’ is it not a hateful word. It is an inoffensive pronoun used for a male person. The N-word on the other hand is a hateful word. It is racist and highly offensive. It’s such a harmful word that we don’t even say it when we talk about it. It’s the N-word. We don’t call ‘he’ the H-word.

Welcome to the Upside Down. Here we have a black woman trying to do her job as a nurse to provide healthcare for a trans paedophile. She uses ‘he’ which is accurate, emotionless, factual, but upsets him as he wants to be called ‘she’. He unleashes a torrent of abuse in which he calls her the N-word.

Can someone please tell me how the hell the nurse is the baddie in this exchange?

Also, I highly doubt this man ‘passes’ as a woman; vanishingly few do. I don’t see how outing his trans status could identify him. He’s a man, and that’s a cold, hard, biological fact. His medical condition knew it too.

I think she's being supported by Christian Concern

I wonder if she has legal representation to bring a claim against the Trust. Could be a worthy cause for J K Rowling Women's Fund to provide the financial backing.