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My therapist seems politically opposed to my feminist views

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idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 01/08/2025 18:27

I didn't know where else to post this and could do with a sense check/ideas as to how to deal with this.

I've been seeing a therapist for about a year for a range of issues, including substance misuse and recovering from abuse during my childhood and teens (sexual, violence). We've spoken about some really difficult and personal things that I have never discussed before and I have felt that the therapy has been useful. I thought I trusted him and trust is not an easy thing for me.

I'm a GC feminist. I'm also a lawyer and so I tend to have a legal lens on some of the debates around issues of trans rights and the rights of women and girls. I have talked in therapy about how I have found the tone of the debate around trans rights increasingly upsetting and hostile (on one side) and I had been upset over the discussion re the Supreme Court and the Equality Act. I've talked about both this and how hard it can be to feel like there's no space for women to express certain views without being dismissed or labelled.

My error (I totally accept I shouldn't have looked, but he should have locked down his settings) - I looked and saw a pic on SM of him at a protest. I don't want to out myself or him but he was holding a banner basically slagging off the Supreme Court.

And now I feel . . . the trust has gone. Has he been quietly judging me while I shared some frankly painful stuff? Does he respect my perspective? As I don't know if I can work with someone who doesn't. It's not a difference in political views, I feel like my views on these issues are fundamentally part of who I am as a person.

I know I crossed a boundary and shouldn't have looked, but would appreciate any thoughts as to whether I am being overly sensitive and/or whether it's something I should bring up.

Or maybe I am just wrong to care? Thoughts welcome!

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idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 15:09

@BeLemonNow I've decided that I want to bring it up with him. Then either I will know that we can work through it, or I will know that I can't and I will spare myself the pain of sharing intimate details of my past with someone whose view of reality and attitude to women and girls means he is not capable of the work.

It's a case of when and how I raise it now.

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 02/08/2025 14:46

Denimrules · 01/08/2025 23:04

It's totally unacceptable to claim that someone who believes in trans rights doesn't uphold women's rights also. They simply take a different viewpoint from you. They haven't let this view into their professional life and I suspect they aren't talking about their confidential therapy sessions with you on MN or equivalent.

Gotcha

BeLemonNow · 02/08/2025 14:37

My advice whether you decide to end therapy or not would definitely be to discuss and explain how you feel and why. As ending is a really important part of the therapeutic process.

Firstly it's very normal to google therapists and others so I get that, I don't think you've done anything "wrong" but equally discuss this too and explain you feel a bit guilty about it as you appreciate they have boundaries and a private life as we all do.

A decent therapist should be able to help you explore and understand these feelings without taking any anger personally. They might even be (secretly) pleased you are able to get angry with them!

I definitely wouldn't not not mention it to him as this is still going to influence the therapy in that "elephant in the room" type way and the progress you are making. Something comes up in the relationship, I would hope they would be able to notice that and may ask you why.

Please let us know how it goes and what you decide.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 02/08/2025 14:15

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 13:29

@lechiffre55 oh crikey, really? I didn't think raising it would automatically prompt him to end the therapy. Therapists must have to deal with ruptures/disagreements with clients, without ending it, surely?

Oh for heaven's sake, no, this isn't the case. If he's any good he'll want to talk to you about it, OP.

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 13:30

OuterSpaceCadet · 02/08/2025 13:19

He's clearly a good therapist in many ways to have been able to hold you this far without you realising his drastically opposing views.

Apparently I was the first person to broach the problems with trans with both my partner and separately with my therapist. There was a period of intense and difficult discussion with both and in retrospect I know it would have been a deal breaker for me with both relationships. Thankfully both "educated themselves" (as I had).

Experiencing male sexual violence has had a huge impact on my life and obviously my therapist and my partner know all about what happened. It is just too personal for me. I have friends who believe in gender identity but I couldn't have a sexual or therapeutic relationship with someone who thinks it possible to identify into opression.

There are other topics - eg Gaza, assisted dying, drugs, tax - where I might feel quite strongly but wouldn't need to end the relationship over differences in opinion. But sex / gender inequality, sexual violence, feminism, etc too close to home.

@OuterSpaceCadet yep, your last paragraph sums up how I feel too.

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idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 13:29

lechiffre55 · 02/08/2025 13:18

If you do have it out with your therapist he will have no choice but to drop you as a client. He will know he's now a cause of issues in your life and that puts him in an unethical place. He's proven to behave ethically. If you want to have it out with him that's your choice, but understand you will be leaving him with no choice.

@lechiffre55 oh crikey, really? I didn't think raising it would automatically prompt him to end the therapy. Therapists must have to deal with ruptures/disagreements with clients, without ending it, surely?

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Arran2024 · 02/08/2025 13:27

Trouble is that everything will be different. You can't pretend this hasn't happened. You either take it into therapy with him or you leave.

Btw I wanted to recommend the TV series In Treatment, with Gabriel Byrne. It's pretty old now, but they also did a reboot a few years ago with a female lead.

Anyway it's a fascinating insight into the therapeutic process. Each series features four different clients and we see them progress (or not) and his relationship with his supervisor. I found it very useful when I was having therapy.

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 13:25

lechiffre55 · 02/08/2025 13:19

I was just using Trump as an example, hopefully a funny one. I have no idea how you feel about him, I was just using him to make a point.

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@lechiffre55 and it was a good point!

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idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 13:24

lily444 · 02/08/2025 13:15

another therapist here, trained a long time ago, thankfully before the gender woo took hold. Am a bit of a dinosaur re sharing my views or anything private as we were taught to be a neutral and safe space, clients shouldn't really know your views on anything vaguely political and shouldn't really know much about you at all (I've a couple of lines on Linkedin!) so this whole directive social activism piece that has infiltrated training courses is anathema to me.
I really think you don't have to justify your feelings of disappointment, you trusted this person and now you've found out that he's proud to support this awful misogynistic and homophobic movement. I would love for you to be honest with him and let him get some good old feedback on what it's like for you. But it's not your job to educate him so feel no pressure. Get a new therapist and if it were me I'd be looking for someone who trained before this craziness took hold.

@lily444 I honestly think he's incompetent with technology and never intended to reveal this (and other things) via social media. In terms of our relationship in the space, he doesn't over share and I don't ask personal questions. It is professional in that sense.

If I decide to let loose and give him the feedback then I think I need to be clear with myself that I am doing it for me, not him. But equally, he must have or will have other women as clients, so I would hope he might learn something from it.

I have noticed he was v keen to move things on when I was talking about how upset I was re the reaction to the SC decision, but I also think he had his reasons for that as I mentioned it in the context of something else and that was the focus really. So I don't think he was deliberately dismissive in session on that occasion, he just wanted to keep the focus on something else and that was legitimate.

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lechiffre55 · 02/08/2025 13:19

I was just using Trump as an example, hopefully a funny one. I have no idea how you feel about him, I was just using him to make a point.

OuterSpaceCadet · 02/08/2025 13:19

He's clearly a good therapist in many ways to have been able to hold you this far without you realising his drastically opposing views.

Apparently I was the first person to broach the problems with trans with both my partner and separately with my therapist. There was a period of intense and difficult discussion with both and in retrospect I know it would have been a deal breaker for me with both relationships. Thankfully both "educated themselves" (as I had).

Experiencing male sexual violence has had a huge impact on my life and obviously my therapist and my partner know all about what happened. It is just too personal for me. I have friends who believe in gender identity but I couldn't have a sexual or therapeutic relationship with someone who thinks it possible to identify into opression.

There are other topics - eg Gaza, assisted dying, drugs, tax - where I might feel quite strongly but wouldn't need to end the relationship over differences in opinion. But sex / gender inequality, sexual violence, feminism, etc too close to home.

lechiffre55 · 02/08/2025 13:18

If you do have it out with your therapist he will have no choice but to drop you as a client. He will know he's now a cause of issues in your life and that puts him in an unethical place. He's proven to behave ethically. If you want to have it out with him that's your choice, but understand you will be leaving him with no choice.

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 13:18

lechiffre55 · 02/08/2025 12:37

@idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams
I made a very neutral observation on page one without telling you my opinion on how I think you should deal with this, because I didn't know what I thought you should do. I've thought about this overnight and now have a firmer view.
I don't think you should lose trust in your therapist. He clearly has strong views on this matter if he's protested this, and yet his way of dealing with it was to steer you away from the topic. If I was his therapist it would have smacked him around the head for his views while saying "whatchu talking about Willis?" ( a Different Strokes meme ), and every time that I could see he was getting over the shock of being head smacked by his therapist, I would have done it again to try and keep him in that shocked state.
The people on this board, myself very much included, have very strong views about gender. The idea women should have to share their private spaces or sports with fetishitic predatory men is a view I find utterly abhorrent and morally absurd to the point of letting myself get very worked up about it. I have other views e.g. I quite like Trump that you'd probably visibly strongly disagree with, but if you met me in real life I would physically stand in front of you, and figuratively stand behind you at every opportunity to protect you from predatory boundary non respecting men I despise with a passion. Women's rights to say "no", and "fuck off you creepy cunt" to seriously damaged men who insist on trying to invade their spaces is a really big deal in my world. I'm a single issue voter on this front. My like of Trump would reverse if he reversed his position on this issue.
That your therapist is what I consider the other side of the issue, and he cares about it enough to protest it, and yet when you bring it up his action is not to react like I would, or to tell you you're wrong, or to try and convice you into believing his point of view, but to steer away from the topic says to me he respects your boundaries as a client. He takes his job and his responsibilites seriously. He is well aware of the ethical boundaries, and he observes them. You say you've built up trust over a year of seeing him. My argument after thinking about this is that your trust in him is well founded. He's proven why you you placed that trust in him.
Don't look him up any more. Give him the respect he gives you. Stay off this one topic. Explore other topics that will help him help you. He's a better more ethical therapist than I would be if you brought up Trump to me. You be in a daze with you ears ringing wondering who the fuck Willis is and why I kept smacking you around the head calling you by that name. He's allowed to have different beliefs to you, in fact it benefits you, if he was exactly the same as you he would be no use to you as a therapist. He actually sounds like a good therapist to me.

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@lechiffre55 thank you for sharing this. I understand re Trump, no judgment from me on that.

I hear you.

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lily444 · 02/08/2025 13:15

another therapist here, trained a long time ago, thankfully before the gender woo took hold. Am a bit of a dinosaur re sharing my views or anything private as we were taught to be a neutral and safe space, clients shouldn't really know your views on anything vaguely political and shouldn't really know much about you at all (I've a couple of lines on Linkedin!) so this whole directive social activism piece that has infiltrated training courses is anathema to me.
I really think you don't have to justify your feelings of disappointment, you trusted this person and now you've found out that he's proud to support this awful misogynistic and homophobic movement. I would love for you to be honest with him and let him get some good old feedback on what it's like for you. But it's not your job to educate him so feel no pressure. Get a new therapist and if it were me I'd be looking for someone who trained before this craziness took hold.

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 13:14

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 02/08/2025 12:49

He ought to be up to that, though, OP. I think it is likely that he hasn't mentioned it because the space is for your thoughts and feelings, not his, and because he isn't aware that you're aware of his views. I am willing to bet he's wondered about what you would think or feel if you did. And now you do, and it's relevant to how you feel about the work you're doing together and your relationship, and you are entitled to raise it with him and he should be trained sufficiently to be able to navigate that with you.

@CarterBeatsTheDevil that's an interesting perspective and yes, maybe he has wondered this. Maybe I need to give thought to finding the courage to just let it all out. Part of me would utterly fucking want to do this.

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idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 13:11

Lavender14 · 02/08/2025 12:33

I'm thinking you're responding to the other poster with lavender in their username.

I did agree with you in my post that his profile should have been locked down to avoid this as an issue even if you had snooped. Although I guess at times there's limitations to this such as if you've been tagged by someone with a public profile etc. At times Facebook etc have changed settings without informing users.

Sorry @Lavender14 - yes, I got my lavenders mixed up!

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Igmum · 02/08/2025 12:49

That’s a tough issue @idontknowhowtodreamyourdreamsI can only say that, if it were me, I would have to find a new therapist. I cannot imagine trusting a man who doesn’t support women on these issues to the extent of having them as my therapist (caveat here, I’ve had therapy and specifically requested a woman because I’m a victim of DV so this may actively colour my judgement on this issue).

Good luck whatever way you decide

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 02/08/2025 12:49

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 12:28

@Lovelyview in my stronger and braver moments, I would like to do this very much. Very, very much. I also fear I would combust with anger mid session and he'd have to sweep my corpse out the door 🤯

He ought to be up to that, though, OP. I think it is likely that he hasn't mentioned it because the space is for your thoughts and feelings, not his, and because he isn't aware that you're aware of his views. I am willing to bet he's wondered about what you would think or feel if you did. And now you do, and it's relevant to how you feel about the work you're doing together and your relationship, and you are entitled to raise it with him and he should be trained sufficiently to be able to navigate that with you.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 02/08/2025 12:43

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 01/08/2025 22:50

You are wasting your money in therapy anyway, as you are not using it to help you. You are staying in your intellectual mindset and pontificating. The therapist doesn’t care about your opinions on this sort of thing. Spend your money widely, by using the therapy you are paying for by being vulnerable and talking about your real, truthful and issues.

I don't think this is fair on OP at all even if she is "staying in an intellectual mindset and pontificating" (and I don't see that she's said anything to suggest that). I've used the counselling space to explore social and political developments, my views and feelings about them and what might be going on behind all of that, and I don't know how you would do that without expressing them.

lechiffre55 · 02/08/2025 12:37

@idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams
I made a very neutral observation on page one without telling you my opinion on how I think you should deal with this, because I didn't know what I thought you should do. I've thought about this overnight and now have a firmer view.
I don't think you should lose trust in your therapist. He clearly has strong views on this matter if he's protested this, and yet his way of dealing with it was to steer you away from the topic. If I was his therapist it would have smacked him around the head for his views while saying "whatchu talking about Willis?" ( a Different Strokes meme ), and every time that I could see he was getting over the shock of being head smacked by his therapist, I would have done it again to try and keep him in that shocked state.
The people on this board, myself very much included, have very strong views about gender. The idea women should have to share their private spaces or sports with fetishitic predatory men is a view I find utterly abhorrent and morally absurd to the point of letting myself get very worked up about it. I have other views e.g. I quite like Trump that you'd probably visibly strongly disagree with, but if you met me in real life I would physically stand in front of you, and figuratively stand behind you at every opportunity to protect you from predatory boundary non respecting men I despise with a passion. Women's rights to say "no", and "fuck off you creepy cunt" to seriously damaged men who insist on trying to invade their spaces is a really big deal in my world. I'm a single issue voter on this front. My like of Trump would reverse if he reversed his position on this issue.
That your therapist is what I consider the other side of the issue, and he cares about it enough to protest it, and yet when you bring it up his action is not to react like I would, or to tell you you're wrong, or to try and convice you into believing his point of view, but to steer away from the topic says to me he respects your boundaries as a client. He takes his job and his responsibilites seriously. He is well aware of the ethical boundaries, and he observes them. You say you've built up trust over a year of seeing him. My argument after thinking about this is that your trust in him is well founded. He's proven why you you placed that trust in him.
Don't look him up any more. Give him the respect he gives you. Stay off this one topic. Explore other topics that will help him help you. He's a better more ethical therapist than I would be if you brought up Trump to me. You be in a daze with you ears ringing wondering who the fuck Willis is and why I kept smacking you around the head calling you by that name. He's allowed to have different beliefs to you, in fact it benefits you, if he was exactly the same as you he would be no use to you as a therapist. He actually sounds like a good therapist to me.

Lavender14 · 02/08/2025 12:33

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 12:21

@Lavender14 if one is on social media - anyone. - and one doesn't want posts and photos to be public and searchable then the onus is on the individual to set their privacy settings accordingly. Eg, I don't want people I don't know in real life seeing photos of my kids and/or me, so my settings reflect this. Anyone can look me up but they can't see anything other than my name and a profile pic, which reveals nothing.

I'm thinking you're responding to the other poster with lavender in their username.

I did agree with you in my post that his profile should have been locked down to avoid this as an issue even if you had snooped. Although I guess at times there's limitations to this such as if you've been tagged by someone with a public profile etc. At times Facebook etc have changed settings without informing users.

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 12:28

Lovelyview · 02/08/2025 12:03

I suspect he'd quite cheerfully say he believes in protecting the rights of women and girls because like most people he hasn't really thought it through. Maybe he's accepted the sort of intersectional feminism which claims trans identified men are a sort of vulnerable woman. I wonder what he would do if you challenged him on it? I'd be tempted to have a session on how you feel about those who have abandoned women and girls on this issue. Let rip about men in women's prisons, rape crisis centres, changing rooms, about the gaslighting of women who protest, about how it makes you feel as an abuse survivor when you hear about people abandoning safeguarding. How telling children they might be born in the wrong body is abuse. You don't even have to tell him you saw his facebook page. Then you can walk away if you want to.

@Lovelyview in my stronger and braver moments, I would like to do this very much. Very, very much. I also fear I would combust with anger mid session and he'd have to sweep my corpse out the door 🤯

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Lavender14 · 02/08/2025 12:24

RantzNotBantz · 02/08/2025 08:27

However, he may also work with people who are gender questioning who would feel safer in counselling as a result of his posts - who knows.

Well that, @Lavender14 , in the middle of the rest of your lengthy posts, tells me exactly why the OP feels less safe now.

And would those clients be told off by you for ‘snooping’ ?

"And would those clients be told off by you for ‘snooping’ ?"

@rantznotbantz

Yes. Why would that be any different for any other client?

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 12:21

@Lavender14 if one is on social media - anyone. - and one doesn't want posts and photos to be public and searchable then the onus is on the individual to set their privacy settings accordingly. Eg, I don't want people I don't know in real life seeing photos of my kids and/or me, so my settings reflect this. Anyone can look me up but they can't see anything other than my name and a profile pic, which reveals nothing.

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Lovelyview · 02/08/2025 12:03

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 01/08/2025 22:45

@TheLivelyViper yes, he is entitled to his views. I wouldn't expect anyone to denounce their views . However, I think if he can't answer the question of "do you appreciate and respect the rights of women and girls" with a YES, either because his answer is no or because he reserves his right to not answer at all, then I can't carry on with him and will also feel really upset and betrayed to be honest.

My sense is that he doesn't realise his social media acct is totally unprotected and is unaware his clients and the rest of the world can see a whole range of things.

I suspect he'd quite cheerfully say he believes in protecting the rights of women and girls because like most people he hasn't really thought it through. Maybe he's accepted the sort of intersectional feminism which claims trans identified men are a sort of vulnerable woman. I wonder what he would do if you challenged him on it? I'd be tempted to have a session on how you feel about those who have abandoned women and girls on this issue. Let rip about men in women's prisons, rape crisis centres, changing rooms, about the gaslighting of women who protest, about how it makes you feel as an abuse survivor when you hear about people abandoning safeguarding. How telling children they might be born in the wrong body is abuse. You don't even have to tell him you saw his facebook page. Then you can walk away if you want to.

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