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My therapist seems politically opposed to my feminist views

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idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 01/08/2025 18:27

I didn't know where else to post this and could do with a sense check/ideas as to how to deal with this.

I've been seeing a therapist for about a year for a range of issues, including substance misuse and recovering from abuse during my childhood and teens (sexual, violence). We've spoken about some really difficult and personal things that I have never discussed before and I have felt that the therapy has been useful. I thought I trusted him and trust is not an easy thing for me.

I'm a GC feminist. I'm also a lawyer and so I tend to have a legal lens on some of the debates around issues of trans rights and the rights of women and girls. I have talked in therapy about how I have found the tone of the debate around trans rights increasingly upsetting and hostile (on one side) and I had been upset over the discussion re the Supreme Court and the Equality Act. I've talked about both this and how hard it can be to feel like there's no space for women to express certain views without being dismissed or labelled.

My error (I totally accept I shouldn't have looked, but he should have locked down his settings) - I looked and saw a pic on SM of him at a protest. I don't want to out myself or him but he was holding a banner basically slagging off the Supreme Court.

And now I feel . . . the trust has gone. Has he been quietly judging me while I shared some frankly painful stuff? Does he respect my perspective? As I don't know if I can work with someone who doesn't. It's not a difference in political views, I feel like my views on these issues are fundamentally part of who I am as a person.

I know I crossed a boundary and shouldn't have looked, but would appreciate any thoughts as to whether I am being overly sensitive and/or whether it's something I should bring up.

Or maybe I am just wrong to care? Thoughts welcome!

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idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 22:25

Pairue · 02/08/2025 22:22

Yes definitely I did trust them - but also I would have assumed beforehand that I couldn’t trust someone with their views and identity to create that healing space for me when I specifically talked about my experience of being gender critical. I guess I just mean that someone can act very differently politically to therapeutically and you won’t know unless you raise it explicitly whether your therapist is able to do that. But equally I completely get how it’s disrupted the trust you feel for him, and made you feel vulnerable. Really hope it works out.

Really helpful, thanks @Pairue

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Pairue · 02/08/2025 22:22

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 22:01

@Pairue I am so glad to read that you had a healing experience. It's made me feel quite emotional! I guess the key thing is that you felt able to trust and be vulnerable with your therapist with the issues you wanted to work through - you could trust the space. I am no longer sure I can. But I won't know until I try to bring it up.

Yes definitely I did trust them - but also I would have assumed beforehand that I couldn’t trust someone with their views and identity to create that healing space for me when I specifically talked about my experience of being gender critical. I guess I just mean that someone can act very differently politically to therapeutically and you won’t know unless you raise it explicitly whether your therapist is able to do that. But equally I completely get how it’s disrupted the trust you feel for him, and made you feel vulnerable. Really hope it works out.

Wetoldyousaurus · 02/08/2025 22:19

TheLivelyViper · 02/08/2025 21:17

But that's not always true, some people do well with a male therapist after experiencing such trauma because it can be repair work in having a trusting relationship with men. Obviously preferences matter, if someone doesn't want a male therapist that's fine, but some people find it can be helpful and I don't think it's fair to say male therapists cannot be effective with people who have sexual trauma. Some male therapists may not be (whether that be modality or training or even just the vibe isn't their between you and them) but some can be amazing and vice versa for female therapists. I get why you wouldn't want one (perfectly understable and you should choose someone you trust) but I don't think that as a whole male therapists cannot work with such cases. Though i agree preferences in therapy matter - some people want a Black therapist etc, but other therapists can still be effective. Again it's like male gynaecologists, some people wouldn't want that but others are fine with it.

I think male therapists can be useful with men who have sexual trauma, but I am skeptical when it comes to them treating women effectively in this area. I also think male therapists can definitely be great with women with other issues and I think men are perfectly capable in physical health settings regarding women e.g gynaecology. I could be wrong but personally I just wouldn’t risk it in a psycho therapeutic setting when sex, sexual politics and sexual violence by men against women are amongst the key issues at play.

This particular male therapist has attended a protest waving a banner where the rights of women and girls to privacy and dignity with regards to men are being questioned. So if I were going to choose a male therapist (for whatever reason) to discuss sexual abuse related trauma with, it would not be this one.

Wolfpinkola · 02/08/2025 22:19

Sure, processing past trauma is important, but in the here and now, a good therapist would help you turn your focus inward. The external world shifts shape depending on how you feel about it anyway doesn’t it?

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 22:15

Wolfpinkola · 02/08/2025 22:13

Because in order for therapy to be useful, you explore the things you can change (yourself), not things you can’t.

@Wolfpinkola I get where you're coming from, but you have to be able to express how the things you can't change have made you feel and continue to make you feel, in order to then make progress and change the things you can change - yourself, your responses to these things. And to do all of that you have to trust the therapist, the relationship, the space.

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Wolfpinkola · 02/08/2025 22:13

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 02/08/2025 12:43

I don't think this is fair on OP at all even if she is "staying in an intellectual mindset and pontificating" (and I don't see that she's said anything to suggest that). I've used the counselling space to explore social and political developments, my views and feelings about them and what might be going on behind all of that, and I don't know how you would do that without expressing them.

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Because in order for therapy to be useful, you explore the things you can change (yourself), not things you can’t.

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 22:01

@Pairue I am so glad to read that you had a healing experience. It's made me feel quite emotional! I guess the key thing is that you felt able to trust and be vulnerable with your therapist with the issues you wanted to work through - you could trust the space. I am no longer sure I can. But I won't know until I try to bring it up.

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Radioundermypillow · 02/08/2025 21:59

RantzNotBantz · 02/08/2025 21:39

I think the idea that you can't be trans supporting and also supporting of women and girls is wrong.

I agree (as a GC feminist), BUT one of the key issues where needs are not reconcilable is that in the TWAW view of the world women have no right to sex-based specific spaces but must be inclusive in terms of gender. I.e no recognition that a safe space for women means no male bodied people. In Rape Survivor services for example.

The main protests against the SC ruling were aiming to press this TWAW point and deny any need for sex specific safe spaces.

So in this matter, between an abuse survivor and a therapist, how can she trust this as a safe space when they may not have a shared understanding of what a safe space is? For women. And doesn’t respect what women say about the need for a single sex space.

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As a therapist you believe and trust in what the client needs as a safe space.

Pairue · 02/08/2025 21:52

@idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams this is tough but I think you’re right to raise it in therapy. I had therapy a couple of years ago with a practitioner who turned out to have a trans identity, in part to talk about some bullying I experienced as a result of GC views - they were very professional, containing and reduced my anxiety really well. It was actually really helpful to have such a supportive and healing experience with someone who was clearly politically on the ‘other side’ as it got me out of a paranoid state where I assumed everyone with pronouns in their email was about to cancel me. Not saying that will definitely happen here of course but it might be worth giving him a chance to redeem your trust. Especially if it feels like a therapeutic relationship thats been helpful for you so far.

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 21:45

You have expressed this more articulately than me @RantzNotBantz, thank you! I may screenshot so e of these responses and show them to my therapist (am joking, but they are really helping me gain some clarity on how I feel).

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RantzNotBantz · 02/08/2025 21:39

I think the idea that you can't be trans supporting and also supporting of women and girls is wrong.

I agree (as a GC feminist), BUT one of the key issues where needs are not reconcilable is that in the TWAW view of the world women have no right to sex-based specific spaces but must be inclusive in terms of gender. I.e no recognition that a safe space for women means no male bodied people. In Rape Survivor services for example.

The main protests against the SC ruling were aiming to press this TWAW point and deny any need for sex specific safe spaces.

So in this matter, between an abuse survivor and a therapist, how can she trust this as a safe space when they may not have a shared understanding of what a safe space is? For women. And doesn’t respect what women say about the need for a single sex space.

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 21:29

TheLivelyViper · 02/08/2025 21:17

But that's not always true, some people do well with a male therapist after experiencing such trauma because it can be repair work in having a trusting relationship with men. Obviously preferences matter, if someone doesn't want a male therapist that's fine, but some people find it can be helpful and I don't think it's fair to say male therapists cannot be effective with people who have sexual trauma. Some male therapists may not be (whether that be modality or training or even just the vibe isn't their between you and them) but some can be amazing and vice versa for female therapists. I get why you wouldn't want one (perfectly understable and you should choose someone you trust) but I don't think that as a whole male therapists cannot work with such cases. Though i agree preferences in therapy matter - some people want a Black therapist etc, but other therapists can still be effective. Again it's like male gynaecologists, some people wouldn't want that but others are fine with it.

@TheLivelyViper I agree. It's not the fact that he's a man that's the issue here.

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Radioundermypillow · 02/08/2025 21:22

TheLivelyViper · 02/08/2025 21:17

But that's not always true, some people do well with a male therapist after experiencing such trauma because it can be repair work in having a trusting relationship with men. Obviously preferences matter, if someone doesn't want a male therapist that's fine, but some people find it can be helpful and I don't think it's fair to say male therapists cannot be effective with people who have sexual trauma. Some male therapists may not be (whether that be modality or training or even just the vibe isn't their between you and them) but some can be amazing and vice versa for female therapists. I get why you wouldn't want one (perfectly understable and you should choose someone you trust) but I don't think that as a whole male therapists cannot work with such cases. Though i agree preferences in therapy matter - some people want a Black therapist etc, but other therapists can still be effective. Again it's like male gynaecologists, some people wouldn't want that but others are fine with it.

Totally agree.

I am a female therapist but have always had lots of male clients.

TheLivelyViper · 02/08/2025 21:17

Wetoldyousaurus · 02/08/2025 07:16

I think the poster who uses the analogy of white supremacy nails it. Could an avowed, card carrying white supremacist be an effective therapist for a black client, especially one who had been the victim of racist violence?

This man believes TWAW, so if you ask him if he believes in women’s rights he will say yes. So that won’t get you anywhere.

Personally I don’t think any male is really a suitable confidant for women’s sexual abuse trauma. It’s just too risky. Men just do not understand what it is like to be raped or vulnerable to rape as a woman living in our time and place and I don’t think they could be of any use helping any woman to truly come to terms with it productively. Especially this man who doesn’t appear to believe that women even exist outside the fantasy worlds of men. I would back away slowly from this therapist and find a wise, preferably older female as confidant. Don’t tell him why. He will only try to gaslight you and make you feel like you are the problem. You are not the problem.

But that's not always true, some people do well with a male therapist after experiencing such trauma because it can be repair work in having a trusting relationship with men. Obviously preferences matter, if someone doesn't want a male therapist that's fine, but some people find it can be helpful and I don't think it's fair to say male therapists cannot be effective with people who have sexual trauma. Some male therapists may not be (whether that be modality or training or even just the vibe isn't their between you and them) but some can be amazing and vice versa for female therapists. I get why you wouldn't want one (perfectly understable and you should choose someone you trust) but I don't think that as a whole male therapists cannot work with such cases. Though i agree preferences in therapy matter - some people want a Black therapist etc, but other therapists can still be effective. Again it's like male gynaecologists, some people wouldn't want that but others are fine with it.

Radioundermypillow · 02/08/2025 21:09

Of course he wouldn't end the therapy! All clients look up their therapists on social media. Every now and again I ask my dcs friends to try and find out what they can about me on the internet and shut things down if they appear. But of course many therapists have a huge social media presence and are often trans affirming.

Radioundermypillow · 02/08/2025 21:06

He has every right to leave his sm open. Its not something I would do, but he probably assumed most people would agree with him. He was wrong in this case. I think the OP should bring it up.

Also it may be helpful for the OP to begin to accept that his gender views doesn't make him a bad therapist and how she feels about that.

Lavender14 · 02/08/2025 21:05

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 13:29

@lechiffre55 oh crikey, really? I didn't think raising it would automatically prompt him to end the therapy. Therapists must have to deal with ruptures/disagreements with clients, without ending it, surely?

Definitely not, unless it's made him feel uncomfortable- I've known support workers and a counsellor who have experienced stalking behaviour from clients in the past and would therefore find something like this difficult as it may be triggering for them, but that's clearly not what this is in this case and my guess is he'll just talk to you about it, maybe discuss why you felt the need to look/ what you were looking for etc and agree some boundaries around this for moving forward. Then it'll be up to you if you feel safe moving forward with him or not.

MySparklyShark · 02/08/2025 20:54

OMG that is balderdash.
a client can look up a therapist. It’s the other way around that is unethical.
he was careless to leave his SM open to the public- and for me that carelessness is not up to a standard of behaviour that I would expect from a decent therapist. publicising that he was on that protest is also a way of virtue signalling his support for a loathsome movement.
the OP has knowledge now that she didn’t have when she met him. she must act on that. She owes him nothing except the courtesy of notice of ending and can raise any issues surrounding possible other motives for ending therapy with her new therapist.
Good night all!

Radioundermypillow · 02/08/2025 19:59

Why did you look OP?

I agree he probably should have had it locked down but tbh often therapists have clients who are gender questioning and they may have felt more comfortable seeing that. As you've said, you dont need a GC therapist.

I think the idea that you can't be trans supporting and also supporting of women and girls is wrong.

I also 100% agree that this political issue is a way of running from a male therapist who you have been vulnerable with.

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 19:18

I've also never come across a therapist who hasn't got their personal social media locked down. Teachers are similar, in my experience and with good reason. I have no professional reason for it, but there is no way I would want anyone and everyone to see the contents of my FB or Instagram. It contains personal stuff and pictures of my kids; only people I know well in real life get to see it.

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BeLemonNow · 02/08/2025 16:18

Chicaontour · 02/08/2025 15:52

You can choose whether to continue on with him or not but a reminder it was you who went snooping, blaming him for not making his profile private is risible. Has he ever been unprofessional? Ultimately it doesn't matter you can choose to drop him but if he's a good therapist and helping you then I wouldn't cut your nose off to spite your face. Entirely up to you

I would strongly disagree. In short, any variety of psychodynamic therapy (which as long term likely is) generally cautions against the therapist bringing in personal matters.

I've never come across a therapist who had personal social media easily accessible, professional accounts sure. That said, therapists are human too and make mistakes. It's quite likely they are unaware of their settings.

Also, therapy is unusual in that they know everything about you and you know hardly anything about them. It's natural to be a bit curious. All these sorts of feelings are part of the process in my view 🤷‍♀️

Merrymouse · 02/08/2025 16:08

Chicaontour · 02/08/2025 15:52

You can choose whether to continue on with him or not but a reminder it was you who went snooping, blaming him for not making his profile private is risible. Has he ever been unprofessional? Ultimately it doesn't matter you can choose to drop him but if he's a good therapist and helping you then I wouldn't cut your nose off to spite your face. Entirely up to you

It's interesting that people have such different perspectives.

I would argue that it is risible to have a public social media profile and then complain that random people can see your social media profile. I can't think of a reason to have a public profile, unless you want random people to see it.

Chicaontour · 02/08/2025 15:52

You can choose whether to continue on with him or not but a reminder it was you who went snooping, blaming him for not making his profile private is risible. Has he ever been unprofessional? Ultimately it doesn't matter you can choose to drop him but if he's a good therapist and helping you then I wouldn't cut your nose off to spite your face. Entirely up to you

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/08/2025 15:44

imnotaskingforlunchmeat · 02/08/2025 15:37

@idontknowhowtodreamyourdreamsI know this is nothing to do with your post but can I ask if your username is from a song? It’s been on my mind since I noticed and can’t remember what song it is!! And good luck for if you decide to raise things with your therapist. I would always want my clients to raise anything like that (although my personal social media is very much private… and also very much dull and uninteresting)

@imnotaskingforlunchmeat thanks. And yes, the username's from a song 🤣. It's from Waiting for a Star to Fall by Boy Meets Girl.

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imnotaskingforlunchmeat · 02/08/2025 15:37

@idontknowhowtodreamyourdreamsI know this is nothing to do with your post but can I ask if your username is from a song? It’s been on my mind since I noticed and can’t remember what song it is!! And good luck for if you decide to raise things with your therapist. I would always want my clients to raise anything like that (although my personal social media is very much private… and also very much dull and uninteresting)