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My therapist seems politically opposed to my feminist views

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idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 01/08/2025 18:27

I didn't know where else to post this and could do with a sense check/ideas as to how to deal with this.

I've been seeing a therapist for about a year for a range of issues, including substance misuse and recovering from abuse during my childhood and teens (sexual, violence). We've spoken about some really difficult and personal things that I have never discussed before and I have felt that the therapy has been useful. I thought I trusted him and trust is not an easy thing for me.

I'm a GC feminist. I'm also a lawyer and so I tend to have a legal lens on some of the debates around issues of trans rights and the rights of women and girls. I have talked in therapy about how I have found the tone of the debate around trans rights increasingly upsetting and hostile (on one side) and I had been upset over the discussion re the Supreme Court and the Equality Act. I've talked about both this and how hard it can be to feel like there's no space for women to express certain views without being dismissed or labelled.

My error (I totally accept I shouldn't have looked, but he should have locked down his settings) - I looked and saw a pic on SM of him at a protest. I don't want to out myself or him but he was holding a banner basically slagging off the Supreme Court.

And now I feel . . . the trust has gone. Has he been quietly judging me while I shared some frankly painful stuff? Does he respect my perspective? As I don't know if I can work with someone who doesn't. It's not a difference in political views, I feel like my views on these issues are fundamentally part of who I am as a person.

I know I crossed a boundary and shouldn't have looked, but would appreciate any thoughts as to whether I am being overly sensitive and/or whether it's something I should bring up.

Or maybe I am just wrong to care? Thoughts welcome!

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idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 03/08/2025 15:53

Arran2024 · 03/08/2025 12:25

My daughter saw a male therapist as she is adopted and had a lot of issues with mother figures who had abandoned her. She needed a male therapist at that point in her life.

He helped her enormously for a while. But then she started to feel uncomfortable with him. I was getting concerned too. He seemed infatuated with her.

Covid brought matters to a head (long, long story) and she stopped seeing him.

Later on she had a female therapist, all online. This was ideal for her as she had the distance she needed - she couldn't cope with being in the same room as a therapist, male or female but for different reasons.

Anyway, I wanted to mention that Bruce Perry, trauma expert, says that research shows that the single most important feature of therapy is that it makes you feel held/contained.

I mentioned before that I saw a therapist who made it clear what she thought of me for having given up work to look after my adopted daughters- even though she knew their needs were off the scale and I had decided it was the right thing to do. Instead of helping me look at the choices I had made, she made sarky comments, insinuated I was a traitor to women's rights, wasnt setting a good example to my daughters. Once she tried to move an appointment back a bit, but it meant I couldnt do the school pick up so I said no, and she had a go at me about my husband not helping - he worked in a high pressured job a good commute away and we depended on his salary and I found her lack of ability to understand my world too much in the end.

I then saw a counsellor who had less understanding on paper of my issues but who treated me with respect, which I found hugely reassuring after the horrible experience with the therapist.

I do think that feeling "held" is so important and if you can't hold that feeling with this therapist it simply won't work.

@Arran2024 thanks for sharing your experiences. I'm appalled at your counsellor's response to your decisions (the judgments and sarcasm). Yes, I agree that the most important part of the process is feeling held and contained. That requires safety and trust.

At this point, due to the things we have discussed and the stage I am at with various life events, I would find it extremely painful to walk away from my therapist, but there are circumstances in which I would have to do so.

I continue to ponder, in between copious coffee and some calming dog walks, how best to bring it up with him.

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Lavenderflower · 03/08/2025 15:16

Merrymouse · 03/08/2025 15:09

For example, I encountered many who think a trans-woman is the same as a biological woman

We aren't talking about somebody who just doesn't know what trans means.

He went on a demonstration holding a sign expressing a specific opinion.

I am not sure I understand that the point you are making.

Merrymouse · 03/08/2025 15:09

Lavenderflower · 03/08/2025 14:59

Whilst, I don't necessarily subscribe to those views - I can see how they arrived at that views. For example, I encountered many who think a trans-woman is the same as a biological woman. Some would argue not allowing trans-woman is in single sex spaces is a form of trans-phobia as being female is not related to gender, therefore, trans-women should have the same right to single sex spaces. I personally don't agree with this and would not be happy to share toilet or changing room facility with a trans-women due to safety concerns. My colleague attended training at the Tavistock and she was horrified at the shared toilet. I think a happy medium in these type of situations is to provide three different type of toilets; male, female and gender neutral.

For example, I encountered many who think a trans-woman is the same as a biological woman

We aren't talking about somebody who just doesn't know what trans means.

He went on a demonstration holding a sign expressing a specific opinion.

Lavenderflower · 03/08/2025 14:59

Charabanc · 03/08/2025 11:45

It is possible to support women’s rights while also advocating for trans rights, including the right of trans individuals to access women-only spaces.

No, it isn't, @Lavenderflower . What you are stating is a contradiction in terms.

Whilst, I don't necessarily subscribe to those views - I can see how they arrived at that views. For example, I encountered many who think a trans-woman is the same as a biological woman. Some would argue not allowing trans-woman is in single sex spaces is a form of trans-phobia as being female is not related to gender, therefore, trans-women should have the same right to single sex spaces. I personally don't agree with this and would not be happy to share toilet or changing room facility with a trans-women due to safety concerns. My colleague attended training at the Tavistock and she was horrified at the shared toilet. I think a happy medium in these type of situations is to provide three different type of toilets; male, female and gender neutral.

rebmacesrevda · 03/08/2025 13:18

I realise none of this helps your original query 😂
But I often find the answer comes from an unexpected source.

rebmacesrevda · 03/08/2025 13:16

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 03/08/2025 13:04

@rebmacesrevda thanks for sharing this info; really interesting. Will check out both of these from a reading/podcast perspective.

You're welcome :)

There are some really good books out there about trauma, how it is stored in the body, and how it affects your nervous system. I recommend mindfulness/ meditation and yoga alongside therapy, as it helps you to understand and regulate emotions and fight-or-flight responses. The books might be a bit heavy going for you if you're in the midst of therapy, but I recommend Headspace app for guided meditation, no matter what's going on in your life.

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 03/08/2025 13:04

@rebmacesrevda thanks for sharing this info; really interesting. Will check out both of these from a reading/podcast perspective.

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rebmacesrevda · 03/08/2025 12:58

@Radioundermypillow
If you are interested, a couple of famous GC psychotherapists are Stella O'Malley and Dr Az Hakeem (he is also a Psychiatrist). They are both gender-nonconforming so have personal insight, and seem like really lovely thoughtful people. Stella's current podcast is called Beyond Gender, and they both have a selection of videos on Youtube. Dr Hakeem ran transgender therapy groups for 20-odd years and has written a couple of book as well.

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 03/08/2025 12:58

Thank you @Radioundermypillow , I appreciate it.

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Radioundermypillow · 03/08/2025 12:48

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 03/08/2025 12:39

@Radioundermypillow it's not a deal breaker for me that he be gender critical. It's the issues around single sex spaces for women and reactions to the SC decision.

I care massively about women's sports too, but I am not on therapy for my failed career as a footballer (I didn't have one 😂) or for any related reason, so whatever his views are on that are irrelevant to me.

I didn't choose to go into therapy with him because he's a queer counsellor. I was aware of that, but it wasn't relevant. I connected with him as an individual and as time went on I felt able to talk about painful things for the first time.

So, for me personally and bearing in mind my history, I am not bothered by the fact that he's a man, a member of the queer community or broadly supportive of trans rights. It's the SC and same sex spaces for women, and the repercussions of his views on those issues, including whether I can continue to trust him and the space.

Thank you for taking the time to explain.

I really hope you can work it out with him. It might be useful learning (for him).

Radioundermypillow · 03/08/2025 12:47

Charabanc · 03/08/2025 12:40

Not everybody agrees with the forceteaming of LGB with T.

I know that, but the majority of therapy training agrees fully with the T part.

I'm sorry, but I think its really surprising that the OP didn't think that this might be an issue when choosing a queer therapist.

Charabanc · 03/08/2025 12:40

Radioundermypillow · 03/08/2025 12:20

I am not a TRA. I am surprised that the OP would deliberately choose a therapist that markets himself as queer if supporting trans rights is a deal breaker for her.

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Not everybody agrees with the forceteaming of LGB with T.

OuterSpaceCadet · 03/08/2025 12:40

Radioundermypillow · 03/08/2025 11:55

So you chose a therapist who markets himself as queer, but are now shaken because he's supporting part of the queer community?

Why should OP assume a person who calls themselves "queer" has misogynist bias? I have gay friends who have reclaimed that term and who also support single sex provisions. Lots of people believe themselves to be trans allies whilst supporting 3rd spaces.

If a person has not engaged that much online about this issue they may have no idea what a so called "TERF" opinion that is.

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 03/08/2025 12:39

@Radioundermypillow it's not a deal breaker for me that he be gender critical. It's the issues around single sex spaces for women and reactions to the SC decision.

I care massively about women's sports too, but I am not on therapy for my failed career as a footballer (I didn't have one 😂) or for any related reason, so whatever his views are on that are irrelevant to me.

I didn't choose to go into therapy with him because he's a queer counsellor. I was aware of that, but it wasn't relevant. I connected with him as an individual and as time went on I felt able to talk about painful things for the first time.

So, for me personally and bearing in mind my history, I am not bothered by the fact that he's a man, a member of the queer community or broadly supportive of trans rights. It's the SC and same sex spaces for women, and the repercussions of his views on those issues, including whether I can continue to trust him and the space.

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Radioundermypillow · 03/08/2025 12:31

rebmacesrevda · 03/08/2025 12:25

Yes. Do you know of James Esses? He set up Thoughtful Therapists, who are all GC. I'm sure there'll be others too.

Thanks that's interesting.

I looked up one of the counsellors from there and you wouldn't know they were GC from their website, and no mention of thoughful therapists. I'd imagine some people would be just as surprised as the OP to see their counsellor on a GC website.

In fact, they specifically say they work with LGBTQ+ youth who are questioning their gender identity. I wonder if people contacting them for this reason know that they already have a fixed viewpoint on this, and not necessarily in the way that the client might expect.

rebmacesrevda · 03/08/2025 12:26

Radioundermypillow · 03/08/2025 12:25

I'd be surprised if they were BACP registered.

I know I'll get flamed for even asking the question but all the training I've been on just assumes that we are all trans affirming.

They were all affirming until fairly recently. A couple of the regulatory bodies have changed their position and now promote exploratory therapy (as it should be!).

Radioundermypillow · 03/08/2025 12:25

I'd be surprised if they were BACP registered.

I know I'll get flamed for even asking the question but all the training I've been on just assumes that we are all trans affirming.

rebmacesrevda · 03/08/2025 12:25

Radioundermypillow · 03/08/2025 12:22

Are there any therapists who market themselves as GC? (Genuine question)

Yes. Do you know of James Esses? He set up Thoughtful Therapists, who are all GC. I'm sure there'll be others too.

Arran2024 · 03/08/2025 12:25

My daughter saw a male therapist as she is adopted and had a lot of issues with mother figures who had abandoned her. She needed a male therapist at that point in her life.

He helped her enormously for a while. But then she started to feel uncomfortable with him. I was getting concerned too. He seemed infatuated with her.

Covid brought matters to a head (long, long story) and she stopped seeing him.

Later on she had a female therapist, all online. This was ideal for her as she had the distance she needed - she couldn't cope with being in the same room as a therapist, male or female but for different reasons.

Anyway, I wanted to mention that Bruce Perry, trauma expert, says that research shows that the single most important feature of therapy is that it makes you feel held/contained.

I mentioned before that I saw a therapist who made it clear what she thought of me for having given up work to look after my adopted daughters- even though she knew their needs were off the scale and I had decided it was the right thing to do. Instead of helping me look at the choices I had made, she made sarky comments, insinuated I was a traitor to women's rights, wasnt setting a good example to my daughters. Once she tried to move an appointment back a bit, but it meant I couldnt do the school pick up so I said no, and she had a go at me about my husband not helping - he worked in a high pressured job a good commute away and we depended on his salary and I found her lack of ability to understand my world too much in the end.

I then saw a counsellor who had less understanding on paper of my issues but who treated me with respect, which I found hugely reassuring after the horrible experience with the therapist.

I do think that feeling "held" is so important and if you can't hold that feeling with this therapist it simply won't work.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2025 12:23

Yes @Radioundermypillow

Radioundermypillow · 03/08/2025 12:22

rebmacesrevda · 03/08/2025 12:05

I had a male therapist, and it was generally a useful experience. I got a lot out of it, and after nine months I had a really profound breakthrough and he discharged me, as I had learned to self-reflect in a way that meant I could deal with stuff myself.
One of the things I realised was the utmost importance of having a very secure grip on reality and refraining from lying to myself. I was in a toxic relationship with a man who lived in denial and lied to everyone, including himself. I could feel it wasn't right, but I lied to myself about the situation because I didn't want to lose the relationship. Eventually, I reached breaking point and I had to face the truth, had a dark night of the soul and a subsequent awakening.
Almost a year later, I peaked (thanks Dr Upton!), and I realised that we have all been gaslit for years, and we've all been expected to lie to ourselves about what we know to be true. Fuck that, frankly. Now, I think anyone who condones GI ideology is lying to themselves, and for me that would be a barrier in a therapeutic relationship. When I return to therapy in future, I will choose a GC therapist. Not because I want to talk about gender issues, or even women's rights, but because I want a therapist who has a firm grip on reality.

Are there any therapists who market themselves as GC? (Genuine question)

Radioundermypillow · 03/08/2025 12:20

Charabanc · 03/08/2025 12:02

This thread will now get taken over by TRAs who don't think that women should set boundaries that don't include them.

I am not a TRA. I am surprised that the OP would deliberately choose a therapist that markets himself as queer if supporting trans rights is a deal breaker for her.

Kurkara · 03/08/2025 12:19

Wolfpinkola · 02/08/2025 22:19

Sure, processing past trauma is important, but in the here and now, a good therapist would help you turn your focus inward. The external world shifts shape depending on how you feel about it anyway doesn’t it?

The external world shifts shape- - what does this mean? It seems kind of, I don't know, nothing is real, it's all shifting shape, things wouldn'tt be traumatic if you'd only learn to take a more positive attitude?
That's skating a bit close to "you'd be find if you'd just relax and enjoy it" isn't it?

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 03/08/2025 12:16

@Radioundermypillow I think it's perfectly possible to be part of the queer community and support the rights of women and girls .... Of course it bloody is; the queer community includes many women and girls after all 🙄🥴. Not that it's relevant to the issues as to why I am in therapy, but I consider myself to be part of the queer community, having been in relationships with women in the past. The fact that my therapist is a member of the queer community is irrelevant to the issues.

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rebmacesrevda · 03/08/2025 12:05

I had a male therapist, and it was generally a useful experience. I got a lot out of it, and after nine months I had a really profound breakthrough and he discharged me, as I had learned to self-reflect in a way that meant I could deal with stuff myself.
One of the things I realised was the utmost importance of having a very secure grip on reality and refraining from lying to myself. I was in a toxic relationship with a man who lived in denial and lied to everyone, including himself. I could feel it wasn't right, but I lied to myself about the situation because I didn't want to lose the relationship. Eventually, I reached breaking point and I had to face the truth, had a dark night of the soul and a subsequent awakening.
Almost a year later, I peaked (thanks Dr Upton!), and I realised that we have all been gaslit for years, and we've all been expected to lie to ourselves about what we know to be true. Fuck that, frankly. Now, I think anyone who condones GI ideology is lying to themselves, and for me that would be a barrier in a therapeutic relationship. When I return to therapy in future, I will choose a GC therapist. Not because I want to talk about gender issues, or even women's rights, but because I want a therapist who has a firm grip on reality.

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