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Trans identifying male Harriet Haynes loses court case to play in women's pool

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ArabellaScott · 01/08/2025 12:13

A great win for Lynn Pinches!

Congratulations to her, and the EBPF.

'CASE DISMISSED! The case against EBPF by Harriet Haynes. '

Haynes to pay costs.

Earlier articles:

Males banned from women's pool:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/c1k4gd2vge9o

Haynes sues:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2025/04/08/transgender-pool-player-harriet-hayes-suing-governing-body/

Pool Federation:

https://ebpf.uk/

Judgement:

https://jrlevins.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/K01CT207-judgment-1-8-25-handed-down.pdf

'CONCLUSION
267 Having come to the end of what is essentially a long footnote to this judgment, I reiterate that in my view the effect of the decision in FWS is that the claim fails at the first hurdle because there has been no gender reassignment discrimination. The claim must therefore be dismissed. '

A player takes a shot during a game of pool

Transgender women banned from female pool category

The Ultimate Pool Group (UPG) ban transgender women from female category after landmark UK Supreme Court ruling that the legal definition of a woman is based on biological sex.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/c1k4gd2vge9o

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BeSpoonyTurtle · 18/03/2026 06:59

Well done Lynn Pinches. But how many court cases will it take before cross-dressing men are thrown out of women's sports?

moto748e · 18/03/2026 00:54

Well he went right after the much poorer blackball game, when he'd been doing fine in Ultimate Pool's women's division, and as I recall, put the leaders of that organsation, a husband and wife, IIRC, at some financial distress, to say the least. Fortunately, justice was done. I can't imagine UP will be supporting this venture by HH, though.

Mmmnotsure · 17/03/2026 22:31

I just feel sorry for those poor people in the pool federation.

Normal people, trying to keep things fair for the women players - and probably blindsided by egocentric men who are willing to destroy anything to get their kicks and validation.

Igmum · 17/03/2026 22:26

Damn. But yes, let’s hope he loses again and it sets a precedent and yes I will donate to a crowdfunder.

SirChenjins · 17/03/2026 21:57

How do appeals work - can anyone challenge a decision through an appeal, or have grounds for his appeal been identified?

The arrogance of these man is breathtaking - nothing says 'male' more than the tantrums from a certain kind of man who's been told no.

moto748e · 17/03/2026 19:42

Seems a desperate last throw of the dice to me. Nothing to lose if it's someone else's money.

thirdfiddle · 17/03/2026 19:37

Unexpected - but does that mean legal precedents get established if he loses again? It ought to be dead in the water. If you can justify women's pool existing at all you can justify keeping Harriet Haynes out of it.

Apollo441 · 17/03/2026 19:22

They had a crowd funder to pay their legal costs last time. Will they need another?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 17/03/2026 19:14

Nooooooo 😤

MyAmpleSheep · 02/09/2025 15:58

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/09/2025 08:44

Yes. I don’t think this one is done yet.

Reading the judgment, the J said in it explicitly that he would refuse permission to appeal if it were sought. I think that’s all that’s happened- that he’s stood by that warning. They always knew they would have to apply to the High Court, or Courr of Appeal.

So not bad news, certainly, but not really news at all.

EasternStandard · 02/09/2025 09:36

Charabanc · 01/08/2025 18:11

Ha ha ha. "If it wasn't for the law, we would have won!" 😂

"The Independent" isn't a newspaper any more, just a tedious website. No more worthy of attention than Gay Times.

Agree.

Helleofabore · 02/09/2025 09:30

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/09/2025 08:44

Yes. I don’t think this one is done yet.

I reckon it is one of rays they are going for to attempt to destabilise the SC judgement.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/09/2025 08:44

Helleofabore · 01/09/2025 22:03

That is interesting.

Wasn't there speculation that Haynes' team was hoping to go to the High Court? I guess we will watch this space.

Yes. I don’t think this one is done yet.

Gettingmadderallthetime · 02/09/2025 04:49

Followed this one closely. So pleased that this appeal has been refused. This is a small volunteer run sports organisation and it must be so scary to have had prospect of an appeal hanging over the organizers, who are retired and have had to go through a lot already. Fingers crossed the high court will also throw this out. It really was a comprehensive defeat so that is what should happen.

PeonyPatch · 01/09/2025 22:18

God, they’re everywhere aren’t they…
This is a good win for females.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 01/09/2025 22:17

Yay Lynne Pinches! You are the latest star in our ever-brightening sky 😁👍🏆🏆🏆 xxx

Bannedontherun · 01/09/2025 22:08

Another fail for twat face JR

Helleofabore · 01/09/2025 22:03

That is interesting.

Wasn't there speculation that Haynes' team was hoping to go to the High Court? I guess we will watch this space.

impossibletoday · 01/09/2025 21:51

Latest..

Trans identifying male Harriet Haynes loses court case to play in women's pool
GoldThumb · 26/08/2025 21:20

BellissimoGecko · 02/08/2025 14:35

I’ve just read this. The article said:

‘Following the verdict, Ms Haynes's legal team expressed their disappointment. Matt Champ, a senior associate at Colman Coyle who represented Haynes, said: “We and our client are naturally disappointed with the court’s decision that it was bound to follow the much-criticised Supreme Court case of For Women Scotland and dismiss our client’s case for gender reassignment discrimination.
“However, whilst the judge dismissed the case based upon For Women Scotland, we take some solace in the fact that he found that, if he was not bound by that decision, he would have agreed with our client and found that the need to show that exclusion was ‘necessary’ so as to comply with the Equality Act 2010 would have been on the defendants, that was a hotly contested issue at trial."
“More importantly, the judge also found that if he were required to decide it, he would have found that the EBPF’s actions were not capable of being a ‘proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim’ and so the defendants’ secondary case would have failed.’

Is this accurate? Did the judge say this? If so why??

Just came over here from the SP thread.

What they’re saying here is technically true, from what I can see.

The first point relates to the ‘primary case’ (fairness of competition)

Their point is that the judge agrees the burden of proof of showing that exclusion was ‘necessary’ would have fallen on the defendant.

But what this statement fails to mention is that the judgment then goes in to say that the defendant would have met/proven it:

There is no reasonable alternative way of achieving fair competition short of exclusion

So irrelevant really.

The second point relates to the secondary claim (encouraging greater female participation)

The judgement seems to be saying that while this is a legitimate aim, excluding trans women is not a ‘proportionate’ way to achieve it.

So that’s a bit shit.

Mmmnotsure · 23/08/2025 09:13

Namelessnelly · 23/08/2025 06:09

Yes. Because otherwise no one would know RMW is not aman but a lady. Nothing else suggests this so the pronouns are very important.

The [non] -lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Chersfrozenface · 23/08/2025 09:09

MissKomodoDragonsBrunch · 23/08/2025 02:42

Who is paying for the appeal?

I too would like to know this.

Who paid Matt Champ / Colman Coyle's fees in the original claim?

Namelessnelly · 23/08/2025 06:09

Justme56 · 22/08/2025 19:03

Are the pronouns after RMW there for a reason?

Yes. Because otherwise no one would know RMW is not aman but a lady. Nothing else suggests this so the pronouns are very important.