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Guardian article by trans woman

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Arran2024 · 31/07/2025 10:29

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/31/transgender-rights-ehrc-guidance-single-sex-spaces

Zero concern for the rights of women. For example bemoaning the fact that a women's group of over 25 members cannot include a trans woman even if the others want to. Well, what if they don't want to? The choice the Supreme Court had to make was binary - sex or gender ID. The author is FtM and is not remotely affected by men in women's spaces. Infuriating.

The fight for trans safety is a fight for everyone’s safety – MPs must have the chance to debate it | Freddy McConnell

The supreme court has made a mockery of gender recognition. Our politicians must not allow the EHRC to further shatter trans lives, says journalist Freddy McConnell

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/31/transgender-rights-ehrc-guidance-single-sex-spaces

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PerfectTuesday · 31/07/2025 12:52

"What they probably did not hear is that the EHRC’s interim guidance also says a women-only gardening club with more than 25 members will be legally required to exclude a trans woman, even if she’s legally a woman, and even if her fellow members want her there."

Surely there would be nothing to stop the group from defining itself as a 'Women and transwomen gardening club' if they wanted to include transwomen?

miri1985 · 31/07/2025 12:46

Does anyone else remember when Freddy flounced from the Guardian in 2022. Can't find anything that explains why that didn't last, lack of interest from elsewhere?

"In a letter to the UK newspaper’s bosses seen by VICE World News, freelance journalists Freddy McConnell and Vic Parsons said they were declining all future work with the Guardian." https://www.vice.com/en/article/guardian-trans-journalists/?ref=wearequeeraf.com

Exclusive: Trans Journalists Pull Out of Guardian Newspaper’s Pride Coverage

Freelance journalists Freddy McConnell and Vic Parsons said they were declining all future work with the UK paper “until it changes its trans-hostile and exclusionary stance.”

https://www.vice.com/en/article/guardian-trans-journalists/?ref=wearequeeraf.com

GreenFriedTomato · 31/07/2025 12:43

No clicks from me either.
Moan moan moan. If the hypothetical womens group wants to include trans identified males, they can just make it a mixed group instead. Sorted.

Toseland · 31/07/2025 12:39

Repeal the GRA and let's be done with it. I'm so tired of reading these articles where black is hysterically argued to be white and women's rights are ignored.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/07/2025 12:38

It's probably already been said, but Freddy McConnell is a trans man, or trans-identifying woman.

Freddy has absolutely no issue with being treated as a man for some purposes and a woman for other purposes, because Freddy is the same individual who made a legal declaration that she intended to live the rest of her life as a man in order to get a Gender Recognition Certificate making her legally male, and then almost immediately embarked on a planned cycle of fertility treatment in order to have her first child. She has since had a second child.

She also took legal action when she was not allowed to be listed on her child's birth certificate as the father, and when she was pregnant with her second child she widely announced her intention to give birth in Sweden so that she could register the birth there instead. I have no idea whether she has any entitlement to maternity care in Sweden or whether she planned to pay for fully private healthcare, but in any case, her second child scuppered her plans by arriving early.

Suffice to say, Freddy thinks that the world revolves around Freddy.

Some thoughts about this article:

The Supreme Court judgment on the application of the 2010 Equality Act has rendered the UK’s system of legal gender recognition entirely hollow. It has ruled that men like me who have gender recognition certificates are defined as women in equality law, which applies to organisations ranging from workplaces to public services and sporting bodies. Vice versa for trans women.

Yes, Freddy, this was what allowed you to benefit from female specific fertility treatment, maternity and postnatal care, maternity leave and legal protection from pregnancy and maternity related discrimination, you ungrateful little toad.

For context, the Gender Recognition Act 2004 was passed after the European court of human rights ruled that the “intermediate zone”, between two sexes, in which trans people were then forced to exist was – and, crucially, remains – unlawful.

This is bad law. The European Court of Human Rights overstepped the limits of their competence here and unleashed chaos as a result. The UK only signed up to the obligations in the European Convention of Human Rights as it was drafted in 1953. People now attempting to read between the lines and find things relating to transgender rights are finding things which simply are not there. If member countries want to recognise transgender identities and make the decision to pass gender recognition legislation themselves, it is of course within their remit to do so. But they should not be forced to do so by an unelected supranational court based on imaginary legal obligations they never agreed to.

Under the Gender Recognition Act, I am male “for all purposes”, but the Supreme Court decided this is not the case under the Equality Act. In effect, it is not the case in public.

Yes, that's right, your right to swing your fist ends where other people's noses begin. That's called living in a society.

Having run what human rights organisations criticised as an unusually short six-week public consultation, the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) will soon update its code of practice about how this legal interpretation of the Equality Act will be applied. This will then go to parliament to be approved by ministers, as things stand, with no opportunity for debate.

The law is the law. The only people who get to debate it are our members of parliament. The correct form of action here is to write to your MP and express your displeasure. But the EHRC has to abide by the law.

Far from clarity, experts argue that the Supreme Court ruling has created legal uncertainty and contradiction and that the EHRC’s response has been highly questionable. Rather than despair, as understandable as that would be, many trans people live in hope that their MPs are fair, ethical people, who have simply not had the opportunity to fully understand any of this.

It's not unclear, you just don't like the answer.

Things were so different in 2016. When North Carolina passed a shocking “bathroom bill” banning trans people from using the correct bathroom, the Labour MP Ruth Cadbury told the Commons that “a bathroom bill would never be passed here in the UK”. In the same debate, the Conservative MP Caroline Dinenage welcomed a new NHS policy prescribing cross-sex hormones to young gender-variant people, acknowledging this was “consistent with international guidelines”, a description that, were it not for well-documented lobbying, would hold today.

Things have moved on since 2016, thank goodness. Women's voices are finally being heard. The world does not revolve around what trans people want. The rights of all groups must be fairly balanced.

Maria Miller, a former Conservative MP, cited fairer treatment of trans prisoners as progress “on which Britain leads the way”. Concluding, she said: “Better protecting trans people does not mean diminishing the protections in place for women. It is not a zero-sum game and we should not allow those who attempt to paint it as such, and who try to undermine the position and legitimate rights of trans people, to succeed.” What on earth has happened? Today, any MP who dared say that protecting trans people and protecting women go hand in hand would incur the wrath of politicians and commentators from the right to the centre left.

Maria Miller is an idiot. The conflict between the demands of the trans rights lobby and women's rights is now openly acknowledged, including by the Supreme Court.

Perhaps current Labour ministers privately justify the state’s capitulation to the anti-trans lobby as political expediency.

Or perhaps some of them understand that no one is above the law.

What they probably did not hear is that the EHRC’s interim guidance also says a women-only gardening club with more than 25 members will be legally required to exclude a trans woman, even if she’s legally a woman, and even if her fellow members want her there.

And this point would most likely never have been considered by the Supreme Court had it not been forced to rule on whether trans women must be included in everything that is supposed to be for women. This is called being hoist by your own petard.

AnSolas · 31/07/2025 12:23

CompleteGinasaur · 31/07/2025 11:40

The line that stood out for me was the opener - "The supreme court (sic) judgment on the application of the 2010 Equality Act has rendered the UK's system of legal gender recognition entirely hollow". Quite apart from the fact that surely a professional journalist should know that "Supreme Court" should be capitalised (one of my partner's pet names for was, in fact, "my little pedant"..), I laughed out loud at the blatant cheek of this - the "system of legal gender recognition" that McConnell mourns here was only ever an illusion conjured by Stonewall law and other appropriating activists, a mirage that the Supreme Court elucidation (not judgment) blew away like the tissue of lies that it was.

It has ruled that men like me who have gender recognition certificates are defined as women in equality law, which applies to organisations ranging from workplaces to public services and sporting bodies. Vice versa for trans women.

So legal men should not be allowed to rely on womens rights for employment law, access to social fund payments, public health etc while growing the babies bit?

Sigh

And not a single argument on how a woman who wants to join the mens club
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What they probably did not hear is that the EHRC’s interim guidance also says a women-men-only gardening club with more than 25 members will be legally required to exclude a trans woman, man, even if she’s he’s legally a woman man, and even if her his fellow members want her him there.

Absentmindedsmile · 31/07/2025 12:19

Yeah. Fck off Freddie.
ps. No man in the history of time has ever been a mother.

WandaSiri · 31/07/2025 12:13

StressedLP1 · 31/07/2025 10:53

I guess it would be an issue if a non-TIM wanted to join and the group said no?

They couldn't lawfully exclude the man. But the point is that in practical terms the women could include the men who say they're women if they want to.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 31/07/2025 12:08

Deadringer · 31/07/2025 11:30

It's all me me me isn't it? Who would have thought that if a person had their genitals removed to pretend to be the opposite sex that it would cause problems, and leave them in some sort of no mans land, between male and female, legally i mean, who could predict that? 🙄

In this case she hasn't had her genitals removed & has given birth twice. She has had her breasts removed.

Cattenberg · 31/07/2025 11:44

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 31/07/2025 11:17

Ah yes, FC who made a documentary film about her transition which showed her getting her Gender Recognition Certificate entitling her to have her birth certificate re-issued showing her sex as male, to get which she must have made a written undertaking to live as a man for the rest of her life. A few days later she went to a fertility clinic to start the process of having fertility treatment so she could become pregnant. She has given birth twice now and went to court to try to get the right to be shown as Father instead of Mother on her children's birth certificates. Fortunately she failed. She also took to social media to claim that she wasn't told that having a double mastectomy (for gender-related reasons) would mean she couldn't breastfeed if she had a baby. That Freddie.

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Freddy's attempt to change the legal definitions of "mother" and "father" would have affected many other laws, as Freddy's solicitor acknowledged. Such a change should never have been pushed through by one special interest group without a wider discussion of how it would affect everyone else. For example, it might have changed who would have presumed parental responsibility of a child born to unmarried parents. For this reason, I'm glad that Freddy's court case failed.

CompleteGinasaur · 31/07/2025 11:40

The line that stood out for me was the opener - "The supreme court (sic) judgment on the application of the 2010 Equality Act has rendered the UK's system of legal gender recognition entirely hollow". Quite apart from the fact that surely a professional journalist should know that "Supreme Court" should be capitalised (one of my partner's pet names for was, in fact, "my little pedant"..), I laughed out loud at the blatant cheek of this - the "system of legal gender recognition" that McConnell mourns here was only ever an illusion conjured by Stonewall law and other appropriating activists, a mirage that the Supreme Court elucidation (not judgment) blew away like the tissue of lies that it was.

NotInMyyName · 31/07/2025 11:36

RareGoalsVerge · 31/07/2025 11:19

Archive Link for people who don't want to give The Guardian clicks or comply with their "accept advertising and tracking cookies or pay" policy:
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@TrainedByCats @CompleteGinasaur

Thanks !

Perhaps we could all write a response and educate the Guardian. But I see that any submission is only for consideration. 😬

Guardian article by trans woman
NotInMyyName · 31/07/2025 11:31

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 31/07/2025 11:17

Ah yes, FC who made a documentary film about her transition which showed her getting her Gender Recognition Certificate entitling her to have her birth certificate re-issued showing her sex as male, to get which she must have made a written undertaking to live as a man for the rest of her life. A few days later she went to a fertility clinic to start the process of having fertility treatment so she could become pregnant. She has given birth twice now and went to court to try to get the right to be shown as Father instead of Mother on her children's birth certificates. Fortunately she failed. She also took to social media to claim that she wasn't told that having a double mastectomy (for gender-related reasons) would mean she couldn't breastfeed if she had a baby. That Freddie.

Edited

This is so chilling and disturbing.
I cant help but think that a personality or psychiatric disorder accounts for so much of the skewed logic or sense of entitlement.

Deadringer · 31/07/2025 11:30

It's all me me me isn't it? Who would have thought that if a person had their genitals removed to pretend to be the opposite sex that it would cause problems, and leave them in some sort of no mans land, between male and female, legally i mean, who could predict that? 🙄

Keenovay · 31/07/2025 11:24

This line made me goggle:

"Systemic transphobia has captured our public institutions with terrifying speed."

Or, the recent acknowledgement that women have rights too, following more than a decade of institutional capture by trans lobbyists of government, NHS, sports, police, higher education, schools...

CompleteGinasaur · 31/07/2025 11:22

Many thanks, @RareGoalsVerge.

RareGoalsVerge · 31/07/2025 11:19

Archive Link for people who don't want to give The Guardian clicks or comply with their "accept advertising and tracking cookies or pay" policy:
https://archive.is/XV2uc
@TrainedByCats @CompleteGinasaur

NotInMyyName · 31/07/2025 11:18

There is a link at the bottom of the article to submit a letter up to 300 words. Im mentally drafting a response that asks what rights have the trans community lost? Despite the reams and reams of comments Ive yet to see anything tangible. Lots of emotions.

Stonewall are responsible for giving bad advice on single sex spaces. It wasnt a trans right. They can now lobby for change and have discussions with stakeholders to agree the future. Because the authoritarian no debate approach has not worked.

What have they lost? How does this translate into the hyperbolic and catastrophic outcomes claimed?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 31/07/2025 11:17

Ah yes, FC who made a documentary film about her transition which showed her getting her Gender Recognition Certificate entitling her to have her birth certificate re-issued showing her sex as male, to get which she must have made a written undertaking to live as a man for the rest of her life. A few days later she went to a fertility clinic to start the process of having fertility treatment so she could become pregnant. She has given birth twice now and went to court to try to get the right to be shown as Father instead of Mother on her children's birth certificates. Fortunately she failed. She also took to social media to claim that she wasn't told that having a double mastectomy (for gender-related reasons) would mean she couldn't breastfeed if she had a baby. That Freddie.

Bobbymoore123 · 31/07/2025 11:14

Arran2024 · 31/07/2025 10:29

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/31/transgender-rights-ehrc-guidance-single-sex-spaces

Zero concern for the rights of women. For example bemoaning the fact that a women's group of over 25 members cannot include a trans woman even if the others want to. Well, what if they don't want to? The choice the Supreme Court had to make was binary - sex or gender ID. The author is FtM and is not remotely affected by men in women's spaces. Infuriating.

"[...] cannot include a trans woman even if the others want to. What if they don't want to?" Did you even read the words you just put down or was it one word after another until it felt like you were making a point?

DeanElderberry · 31/07/2025 11:13

The article is by a transman. Nothing new or interesting.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/07/2025 11:05

Yawn.

eatfigs · 31/07/2025 11:05

What does she expect the EHRC to do? Publish guidance that ignores the law? This article is daft.

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 31/07/2025 11:04

ah Freddy I thought she'd been quiet for a while

yeah no, the SC is clear, sex is biological sex and frankly I'll not be listening to someone who solemnly promised to live as a man and then got pregnant - twice