Guardian article by trans woman

I know, you'd think it would give them pause when they have to lie, twist and misrepresent things to try to make a point.

Still Freddy is not alone among Guardian journalists, trans and otherwise, in lacking the basic ability to think things through and present a coherent argument.

Are they related! I'm really struck by how similar they look in face shape and features.

The tantrums from these entitled narcissists wanting the world to pretzel to accommodate their disordered thinking. The consequences of never previously having said no to the self obsessed, self interested groups are quite something to behold.

This guidance, were it to become legally enshrined, would rob citizens, trans and otherwise, of the freedom to choose whom they associate with and to recognise others for who they truly are.

Freddy getting it back to front as usual.

It actually means that women have the freedom to choose to have women-only associations, spaces and sports, which Freddy wants to abolish.

It also means that we can recognise others as the sex they actually are and we don't have to pretend that Freddy was a man when she gave birth to her two children.

Mixed sex associations, spaces and sports will still exist and if Freddy and her friends want to play make-believe that they've changed sex they can still do that amongst themselves. They don't have to try to convert everyone else to their way of thinking like some sort of gender evangelists.

She’s not still banging on about the walking group, is she? Has no one done anything to upset her since ( because if not, she’s bloody lucky, I had a puncture last week).

Exactly @FlirtsWithRhinos

It's just incoherent.

"We are a walking group that doesn't want to fit into that narrow definition on "Woman""

"No problem! You don't have to! Call yourself whatever you want as long as it's not Women-only walking group!"

"No no no!!!! We still want to be called a Women-only walking group! That is essential! We just don't want to be a Woman- only walking group. We want the word "Woman" to mean something different so we can keep using it!!"

"Ummm... but why do you want to be called Women even though if you don't agree with what the word means? Why not find a new word that already means the thing you want Women to mean?"

"No you don't understand, Women always meant that, it's just nobody knew."

"Ummm... that's not how language works. ..."

Genderism in a nutshell!

Freddie: Does everyone know about me? Can everyone pay attention to me please? HEY everyone please acknowledge how very special I am thanks...

It's rare to hear from a transman, it's usually the transwomen who are out demanding their rights.

Freddy has managed to adopt a sense of male entitlement, so more successful in the transitioning than the pregnancies had led me to believe.

I love this! A wonderful way of excluding the type of male who makes a gardening club inhospitable to women, without excluding the nice ones, or the transwomen. They can write into their constitution that they are not single sex despite members being predominantly women, but anyone can be a Gardening Fairy if they uphold the values of tolerance, kindness, cooperativeness and generosity, and the leadership team reserve the right to ask anyone to leave if they exhibit a dominating or aggressive attitude which is toxic to these fairy ideals. Then it's clear that men, including transwomen, are able to join so long as they don't spoil it for others. We know that some transwomen only want to join a women-only group in order to get "validation" but sometimes they genuinely just want to have a good in-depth conversation about rose-pruning techniques without having to deal with the toxic-masculinity addicts.

Freddy McConnell is a fucking grifter

What they probably did not hear is that the EHRC’s interim guidance also says a women-only gardening club with more than 25 members will be legally required to exclude a trans woman, even if she’s legally a woman, and even if her fellow members want her there.

But if they want it to be an all-inclusive gardening club that's easy - they just make it a gardening club that is open to all, rather than it being women-only. Whatever reasons there were for founding a women-only gardening club, the reasons why men are excluded apply to Suzie who is biologically male but identifies as a woman, just as much as they do to any man.and if Suzie happens to be a genuinely nice person and none of the reasons why other male people are excluded seem to apply, that's fine but then Gerald who is just as nice, just as non-threatening and just as non-dominant but who doesn't identify as a woman has just as much of a right to be admitted as Suzie does. What the gardening club needs to do is work out what their actual membership criteria are, but if they want to include Suzie then they can't have "being female" as one of the criteria, that's all. Perhaps the Gardening Club was founded as all-women because the official village Gardening Club is dominated by George and Jeffrey who have a whole toxic-masculinity rivalry going on and the women wanted to opt out of that and so did Suzie (and Gerald, for that matter) so rather than making it Women Only they just have to write their constitution to make overly-competitive toxic masculinity wankery a behavior that will get you expelled so that George and Jeffrey can't join. Job done. It's not like gardening needs to be done in a single-sex environment for reasons of privacy, decency or safety.

No the law says everything is mixed sex unless you have a good reason to only do single sex.

Once the club break the "good reason" and let one man in so go with a mixed sex club they can not exclude other men.

A solution would be new members are voted in by a % of the whole club rather than by % who attend any given meeting.

They keep moaning that they can't include MCW in women's groups, but what they actually mean is that they cannot exclude other men.
And a mixed sex group "for anyone in the local area who loves gardening" is intolerable for the same reason as third spaces are - not enough validation or handmaidening unless the group is "women-only" or "for women".

Oh fuck off Freddie. I no longer have the patience to politely point out the ridiculousness of where we currently are.

It's OK, IAAL and you are entirely correct.

Yes, what you do is find a way of describing your gardening club which makes it unappealing to men who aren't trans women.

You could call yourselves the Gardening Fairies or something like that, which would probably be off-putting to your average alpha male.

I'm not even going to IANAL anymore, because this legislation affects every single person in the UK and should be as clear as possible to everyone.

EXACTLY! So fed up of trying to explain this to people.

Freddy is clearly not the sharpest tool in the box.

The instigating and overarching point of the EA, based on the Sex Discrimination act, was that you can't discriminate based on sex.

You can only do so in some limited circumstances, hence the SSEs.

No. Either it's mixed sex, and open to everyone, or it's restricted to one sex, or the other.

Technically they can't do that because they would no longer have the benefit of a legal exemption by which they can exclude other men.

Exactly. The gaslighting of the general public is over.

If you want to have something that's for 'women only', it has to be for women only.

It's not really all that surprising.

What a mess!