Trans-identifying female planned school attack

I hope she gets decent help and can be rehabilitated in prison.

Not looked at this case in detail, but I imagine she was on the dark web where you can get all sorts including testosterone.

One of the Q asked in gender clinics for hormones is how Ftm managed anger, so it must be a concern.

Clearly this case is far more complex than that r.e. a rabbit hole of isolation and online violence.

I really do hope so.

Every news outlet colluding in this girl's delusion is harming her. She needs help, treatment, and sober assertion of reality.

The reality of where her delusions have taken her is a very stark illustration of what online grooming and radicalisation can do.

Shame on any media outlet participating in this girl's dangerous fantasies.

The judge talks about both deradicalisation and treatment. This girl was young and clearly very disturbed and vulnerable, with a trauma history. There is a possibility she will receive help in prison.

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Sounds a bit like Roid Rage in , mostly male , bodybuilders. Aren't anabolic steroids related to or derived from testosterone?

Ironic how hard it is for menopausal women to get testosterone....

If you read the judgement linked to below you can see they had quite a specific plan, and were assessed to be a risk.

I agree this person is disturbed but had they actually gone beyond costumes and googling? There had been talk of buying a 3D printer to make a gun but had one actually been bought?

This report by the Herald gives no clue that the person is female/trans.
It's another example of how this shocking reporting means that the big issue is totally ignored - there needs to be more research and discussion regarding the effects of testosterone on young women generally, but in particular young women with mental health problems. It's very concerning if this is fuelling a rise in violence in this group plus how is their treatment managed and monitored whilst in prison? Prisons should not be mental health hospitals.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/25353658.schoolboy-wanted-carry-school-shooting-jailed-six-years/?rel=cl_lsa

This person was the one initially sent to a high security man’s prison. They wonder why people complain about reporting!

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/female-prisoner-sent-mens-maximum-34023334

One of my trans FtM students got into quite violent rages and was taking T. I'm sure it must have an effect. Especially vulnerable young people who are often neurodivergent and/or have other mental health problems.

@CompleteGinasaur I didn't see the written report, just the teatime edition of RS but the comment from the lawyer did seem tagged on.

I looked at the photo and just saw a short-haired girl, similar to half my female classmates in the 80s, including me.

As I understand it, the studies showing that male people have a similar rate of violent offending as each other irrespective of the hormones they are taking, show that female people who take testosterone are much more likely to be convicted of an offence.

As pp say above, I don’t know how much of this is considered to be about hormones - we aren’t driven by hormones without any agency - and how much is related to a stereotyped sense of a crime being something that men do and therefore committing crimes proves you are more manly.

(Sorry, thought I'd included the post from @Mochudubh I was responding to!)

I know that's how it reads now, @Mochudubh, It's just that I'm fairly sure the earlier iteration of the report didn't include it. Not an important point, but I thought it might be another example of the usual transtastic BBC sleight of hand..

I'm glad this person was stopped as she sounds very dangerous. However, I'm not at all convinced that after six years in prison, or however long she serves, she will be any less dangerous. The entire system is shite, especially our support for young people with mental health problems, and the trans stuff has only exacerbated that. I'd be interested to know what happened after the first few Prevent referrals, because it sounds like she just kept escalating until bad enough to be jailed.

Well that's a good lesson/example then isn't it? Good way to show 'fuck around and find out'!

At the end of the article:

At a previous hearing, Winter's lawyer said that the teenager was vulnerable and a transgender person and that would need to be taken into account.

me too

https://www.judiciary.scot/home/sentences-judgments/sentences-and-opinions/2025/07/30/hma-v-felix-winter

Judgement.

At a certain point, we are going to need to ask the question of whether exogenous testosterone makes girls and women violent.

It's apparently gone up a little, to around 300 now.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-prison-population-statistics-2023-24/pages/women-in-custody/

40?! Out of a Scottish female prison population of (generally) around 250?

I'm guessing that's not Prison Onset Dysphoria, either.

Quite a lot of teenagers get T illegally online, or so I've read. I don't think it can be assumed she wasn't taking it.

Gender GP etc.

And there was Maya "Alec" McKinney in 2019. I watched a documentary on that shooting recently. Maya's main concern while the police were searching her was that her breasts had been exposed (even though she appears fully clothed throughout the search) although is fully aware that one teenager had been shot by that stage.