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We must arm ourselves, say trans activists

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TonTonMacoute · 27/07/2025 18:37

Why? Why do they need weapons? 🤔

We must arm ourselves, say trans activists
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/9f4637e9f24e8b09

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GailBlancheViola · 27/07/2025 22:24

PlanetJanette · 27/07/2025 20:26

The annual thread picking out one placard out of tens of thousands and being presented as representative of a protest of 100,000 people took a bit longer than I’d have expected.

As has the erasure of the thousands of biologically female people - cisgender women, trans men and non binary people - who marched yesterday.

Strange how when women meet to discuss their rights there are NEVER any signs like that, nor rhetoric.

Only ONE side has form for this and that is the one you are so desperate to be on.

Nanalisa60 · 27/07/2025 22:19

Because they are very angry men, who are pretending!! And are very pissed off that other people (mostly women) won’t play there pretending game.

Charabanc · 27/07/2025 22:16

Oh, was this on their pretendy "100,000" people march? If they can believe they can change sex, then they can believe there were 100,000 people on that march.

I know the Telegraph has its agenda, but let's not all get upset over one testerical sign.

NameChangedOfc · 27/07/2025 22:14

(Beta) males threatening violence if their will is not obeyed. Nothing new under the sun, I'm afraid.

AnSolas · 27/07/2025 22:08

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 27/07/2025 19:12

I mean, they made a comment about how lesbians are attracted to other women, not men with gender recognition certificates. That was definitely outside the scope of the question!

Not if you have to track the term "sex" through the Act.
The word can mean something different in section 7 and 12

7Gender reassignment
(1)A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person
• is proposing to undergo,
• is undergoing or
• has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the
● person's sex
by changing physiological or other attributes of sex.

12 Sexual orientation
(1)Sexual orientation means a person's sexual orientation towards—
(a)persons of the same sex,
(b)persons of the opposite sex, or
(c)persons of either sex.
(2)In relation to the protected characteristic of sexual orientation—
(a)a reference to a person who has a particular protected characteristic is a reference to a person who is of a particular sexual orientation;
(b)a reference to persons who share a protected characteristic is a reference to persons who are of the same sexual orientation.

Sex
In relation to the protected characteristic of sex—
(a)a reference to a person who has a particular protected characteristic is a reference
● to a man or
● to a woman;
(b)a reference to persons who share a protected characteristic is a reference to persons of the same sex

Pleasealexa · 27/07/2025 21:51

I hope this is flagged to Prevent or other anti terror agency, they are extremist threatening violence after a legal ruling. Even if it's "only" a few they need to be investigated as we would with any other extreme group threatening violence.

All the MPs who emboldened TRAs need to look hard in the mirror (Mr Lammy et al).

DrBlackbird · 27/07/2025 21:31

endofthelinefinally · 27/07/2025 21:20

Sadiq Khan really scares me.

So frustrating that’s what plain to see is determinedly ignored by those In positions of authority so they can maintain their liberal credentials.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 27/07/2025 21:30

PlanetJanette · 27/07/2025 20:26

The annual thread picking out one placard out of tens of thousands and being presented as representative of a protest of 100,000 people took a bit longer than I’d have expected.

As has the erasure of the thousands of biologically female people - cisgender women, trans men and non binary people - who marched yesterday.

There is no such thing as a non binary human, there never has been, there never will be. Every single person who ever existed was - binary - male or female.

endofthelinefinally · 27/07/2025 21:20

Sadiq Khan really scares me.

InterrobangsArePureBias · 27/07/2025 21:18

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/07/2025 20:49

No.
Tactics of threats, VAWG, coercive control, bullying and intimidation are a regular feature seen in trans ideology - as evidenced every time women meet and are faced with masked goons with placards issuing threats against women. Even at the smallest of meetings.
It's not a thread on Mumsnet that's the problem. It's countless emotionally unhinged adults tantruming and issuing threats

Time to start complying with the law and the social contract. Oh and stopping bullying and intimidating those with different views is also helpful.

How can you fail to acknowledge that, ultimately, and as per an adapted version of the first rule of misogyny, it will always be the fault of CLAW? (I adore Naomi Cunningham’s turn of phrase.)

Katkins17 · 27/07/2025 21:09

Because they’re men, and inherently violent, and we’re saying No and they hate it when women do that.

But the powers that be will still be sycophantically moping their brow and calling the poor dears vulnerable!’

EmpressaurusKitty · 27/07/2025 21:05

moto748e · 27/07/2025 20:58

Last summer there was one of those LWS events near me, so I went along to have a look (first time). I knew more or less what to expect, cos I'd read threads here, and seen the vids on YouTube, But the difference, being there, was the noise! The din of shouting, jeering, and klaxons drowning out the women's voices. Intending to be intimidating, and it was.

I was early to one once. There were just 3 of us, none of us especially big, & the TRAs surrounded us, yelling & waving their placards. One of them was waving a flag that kept landing on our faces. It was extremely scary.

EmpressaurusKitty · 27/07/2025 21:04

NotfinanciallyresponsibleforyouSadTimes · 27/07/2025 20:53

Absolutely! Women are being threatened and intimidated by these thugs who are complaining that they are being erased. It is women who are on the receiving end of violence

Or the protest outside FiLiA in Portsmouth, in a busy central square. I don’t think there was any violence, to be fair.

But they did drown out the women inside who were talking about their experiences of being trafficked for sex.

They walked round carrying Amnesty-branded placards reading I AM WHO I SAY I AM, a message which surely goes against all safeguarding principles (Jimmy Savile, Wayne Couzens & Stephen Ireland are just three examples of men who wanted people to believe that they were who they said they were).

And they chalked obscene drawings & phrases in an area that children were passing through.

Are we supposed to ignore that too?

PonyPatter44 · 27/07/2025 21:00

Nicholas Prosper made a fake shotgun licence in order to buy the weapon he then used to murder his family, including his mother and 13 year old sister. While I generally laugh at the sad sack TRAs, I actually think that some of them do pose a potential genuine risk, and im quite concerned by it.

moto748e · 27/07/2025 20:58

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/07/2025 20:49

No.
Tactics of threats, VAWG, coercive control, bullying and intimidation are a regular feature seen in trans ideology - as evidenced every time women meet and are faced with masked goons with placards issuing threats against women. Even at the smallest of meetings.
It's not a thread on Mumsnet that's the problem. It's countless emotionally unhinged adults tantruming and issuing threats

Time to start complying with the law and the social contract. Oh and stopping bullying and intimidating those with different views is also helpful.

Last summer there was one of those LWS events near me, so I went along to have a look (first time). I knew more or less what to expect, cos I'd read threads here, and seen the vids on YouTube, But the difference, being there, was the noise! The din of shouting, jeering, and klaxons drowning out the women's voices. Intending to be intimidating, and it was.

Helleofabore · 27/07/2025 20:58

“our community came together to show what real strength, solidarity and care looks like”

What? Such as moob protests? Or piss protests? Or protests where women’s and girl’s voices are drowned out by intimidating and voilent male people?

I guess the more these happen, the less people who believe this group of male people really are vulnerable and marginalised. Operation: Let them speak!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 27/07/2025 20:57

countrysidedeficit · 27/07/2025 20:55

I think you are misrepresenting that section of the judgment. In context, the section you are referencing was entirely appropriate and relevant.

Have you read many case decisions?

It is completely normal to cover off all angles of an argument to exhaustion to test the validity of the decision being made. They wouldn't be performing their role if they didn't do that.

Lol, yes I have read many judgments, I am a lawyer.

And I read this one in detail.

countrysidedeficit · 27/07/2025 20:55

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 27/07/2025 19:12

I mean, they made a comment about how lesbians are attracted to other women, not men with gender recognition certificates. That was definitely outside the scope of the question!

I think you are misrepresenting that section of the judgment. In context, the section you are referencing was entirely appropriate and relevant.

Have you read many case decisions?

It is completely normal to cover off all angles of an argument to exhaustion to test the validity of the decision being made. They wouldn't be performing their role if they didn't do that.

NotfinanciallyresponsibleforyouSadTimes · 27/07/2025 20:53

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/07/2025 20:49

No.
Tactics of threats, VAWG, coercive control, bullying and intimidation are a regular feature seen in trans ideology - as evidenced every time women meet and are faced with masked goons with placards issuing threats against women. Even at the smallest of meetings.
It's not a thread on Mumsnet that's the problem. It's countless emotionally unhinged adults tantruming and issuing threats

Time to start complying with the law and the social contract. Oh and stopping bullying and intimidating those with different views is also helpful.

Absolutely! Women are being threatened and intimidated by these thugs who are complaining that they are being erased. It is women who are on the receiving end of violence

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/07/2025 20:49

PlanetJanette · 27/07/2025 20:26

The annual thread picking out one placard out of tens of thousands and being presented as representative of a protest of 100,000 people took a bit longer than I’d have expected.

As has the erasure of the thousands of biologically female people - cisgender women, trans men and non binary people - who marched yesterday.

No.
Tactics of threats, VAWG, coercive control, bullying and intimidation are a regular feature seen in trans ideology - as evidenced every time women meet and are faced with masked goons with placards issuing threats against women. Even at the smallest of meetings.
It's not a thread on Mumsnet that's the problem. It's countless emotionally unhinged adults tantruming and issuing threats

Time to start complying with the law and the social contract. Oh and stopping bullying and intimidating those with different views is also helpful.

EdithStourton · 27/07/2025 20:49

On the plus side, we live in the UK where it is fairly complicated to get your hands on a shotgun licence - never mind one for a rifle.

Plod, it is true, does cock up sometimes, but the terrible consequences of doing so mean that the system, while it's not perfect, is very robust.

Annoyedone · 27/07/2025 20:43

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 27/07/2025 20:40

Many, many years ago i was a member of the Cambridge Anarchists. We eventually folded because we could never agree on the time and place of our meetings. Utterly ineffectual. 😂

Well yeah, surely organisation is the enemy of anarchy 😂😂😂

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 27/07/2025 20:40

DarkForces · 27/07/2025 19:40

And if anything is going to bite you on the arse, it's anarchy!

Many, many years ago i was a member of the Cambridge Anarchists. We eventually folded because we could never agree on the time and place of our meetings. Utterly ineffectual. 😂

Annoyedone · 27/07/2025 20:39

BackToLurk · 27/07/2025 20:33

And all of a sudden biological sex is easy to define. It's been quite a ride.

I know. I think our resident TRA need to get their stories straight. Either sex is a nebulous dog whistle no one can define or it’s not. How did they know those people marching were women? I thought no one could define women.

TonTonMacoute · 27/07/2025 20:39

PlanetJanette · 27/07/2025 20:26

The annual thread picking out one placard out of tens of thousands and being presented as representative of a protest of 100,000 people took a bit longer than I’d have expected.

As has the erasure of the thousands of biologically female people - cisgender women, trans men and non binary people - who marched yesterday.

Erasure? How have they been erased? The march has been reported in a major newspaper and is now being discussed here.

Looking forward to a proper explanation of the concept of erasure, rather than just word salad.

Also, an explanation of why trans women need weapons would be useful, while you're at it...

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