We must arm ourselves, say trans activists

Are people who don’t say “take that sign down, it’s antisemitic” antisemitic?

Yep. Must do better.

I also don't think anyone protesting the genocide in Gaza are anti-semitic because some people who participate in protests carry anti-semitic messaging, nor does that fact mean that the substantive issue at the heart of those protests is any less compelling.

The pretence that a group called 'Hackney Anarchists' are representative of 100,000 protestors is nonsense.

Note the difference between

most women

and

A) Women were choosing to march beside the messages.

B) The organisers, of whom some are sure to be women, were not getting the police involved to remove the signs under public order offences

[Less/fewer etc]

Women attending had been informed of prior march signs highlighted by as you say they "very predictably lead the right wing media coverage" so aware of the VAWaG message used as part of the political message.

And if protesting as an informed protester will be aware of how MRA overlaps TRA when it comes to womens rights.

Really? Because all the ones I have seen acting like violent thugs protesting against women having basic rights have been men who claim to be women.

As in women who have become men? Yes?

Thanks for clarifying 👍

No I’m serious. How do you know? We’ve been told it is often impossible to distinguish females from males and that we works never know some people thought male by appearance were in fact female. In fact isn’t the mantra “you can never tell”? You seem to have a secret way of telling them apart. What is your secret? I mean, if it is so easy to distinguish males and female, then it’ll be quite easy to point out when a male with a trans identity is in female facilities and ask him to leave.

Imagine saying that or similar, under oath, in a court room, as a professional employee of a UK body charged with public health duties?

Are you aware of any violent trans men?

Tbf women wont get firearms licence issued on the basis of trans rights either

Yes, giving weapons to a bunch of violent angry men women. what could possibly go wrong?

And while drugs may make the woman more agressive she will have been socialised not to be violent to a much higher degree than her male counterpart.

Two signs. Uh huh.

https://x.com/MrMennoTweets/status/1949533338496008279

And apparently just the signs calling for violence against JKR would need a thread of its own.

Violent threats against women at these events are a feature. Not a bug.

No. It's weird that you think that it's fine that, in a crowd of 100,000 people, no-one asked for those signs to be removed. In fact the signs seem to have been quite prominently displayed.

Once again "if that's what they're happy proudly saying in public, one wonders what they say in private" springs to mind.

It's weird that you think in a march of 100,000 people that most women will have seen those two specific signs. I certainly didn't until I saw them very predictably lead the right wing media coverage (while the thousands of other signs were ignored).

Where did anyone say this was just men?

The point is that all of the implications that this was a protest of 100,000 men are just flat out wrong.

What?

Women were choosing to march beside the messages.

The organisers. of whom some are sure to be women, were not getting the police involved to remove the signs under public order offences

So choosing to support the VAWaG message and

And the MRA element of TRA is clearly a core element of the ideology eg men demanding access to womens single sex spaces or in womens sport etc. Recognising the fact that some women support MRA / TRA on that and other ideology is not erasure.

Has there ever been a political cause anywhere of which no women at all supported the ideology?

I know that probably sounded like a very clever gotcha in your head.

As @Annoyedone has pointed out upthread (repeated below as it's so good) - as it's allegedly impossible to spot the difference between men, women and trans folx it's a surprise to see posters who regularly spout this nonsense suddenly accurately sexing all the people marching.

Of course, those of thus who understand facts, reality and know that sex is binary would generally agree with their assessment. But we're just pointing out their wild incoherence in trying to make a point about "erasure" 😁:

"But how do you know they were biologically female? Did you test their chromosomes? Are you saying there is a way to spot females as opposed to males with a trans identity? What if they were transwomen? Or transmen? Are you saying transmen are not men? You’re sounding very transphobic to be honest".

Annual? The signs I'm posting now are from April.

Every 'trans rights' (in reality anti women) event or protest has these signs inciting violence against women.

At women's rights events, there are no such equivalent signs.

Why do you think that is?

As MrsO said, we know there are many female people who do not have transgender identities who are supportive. Hence she pointed out the NHS Fife witnesses.

The point is, what of it? What point do you think is relevant that female people were there?

We know they are there. I have been to events where they have been there too, fully supporting intimidation of women they disagree with. And when you ask them what they think they are protesting, they tell you what they think you believe that has not even a passing resemblance of the truth. But they are there, joining in the intimidation of women none the less.

Is it only men who become trans women who are wielding the weapons? What about the women who become trans men?

But how do you know they were biologically female? Did you test their chromosomes? Are you saying there is a way to spot females as opposed to males with a trans identity? What if they were transwomen? Or transmen? Are you saying transmen are not men? You’re sounding very transphobic to be honest.

Funny you say that since you have no idea who had produced those two signs - out of tens of thousands.

So firstly, the biologically female people at the protest were not even slightly limited to trans men.

Women were also there in their thousands - and across all age groups.

It's fascinating to look at the background of females who transition and to note the levels of sexual abuse (aka as male violence) and the levels of discomfort with being puberty (and unwanted sexual attention) and the lack of willingness to admit to being a lesbian (women who like other women serve no purpose in a world where they offer nothing to males) and the modern demands put on women sexually (driven by porn addled men) and that's before you examine the gap between how women and men are treated with respect. And that's without considering self serving issues about fitting in with a crowd and how women are much more susceptible to it.

The motivations of males and females who either transition or support transactivism are curiously very different. They are not the same.

We can have a closer look at this if you really want, but actually it comes back to the same underlying driving forces that are fuelling the whole men's rights movement and the culture of fear that it's created and it uses to control.