Do we allow Sharia law in this country?

Personal testimonies by Women on Equalities of Sharia Courts- Independent Review https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/75313/pdf/

Independent review:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a750e8040f0b6397f35d531/6.4152_HO_CPFG_Report_into_Sharia_Law_in_the_UK_WEB.pdf

“The review found evidence of good practice but also clear evidence of bad practice. Furthermore, there is unanimous agreement among the sharia courts themselves that discriminatory practices do occur in some instances within the councils in England and Wales”
“From those that gave evidence to the review panel, no one disputed that sharia councils engage in practices which are discriminatory to women.”

Sharia Councils have been in place since the 1980's
They provide lots of advice but have no legal status but many Muslims wish to abide by their guidance.

It isn't, although you could argue that aspects of UK and European law have developed from legal codes of the Middle East - including Jewish legal codes. The same would be true of Greco-Roman legal codes. Europe has inherited and then shaped many things from earlier civilisations.

Slightly at cross purposes but I recall many years ago watching an extremely rude English couple tear into an Arabic stone mason who was carving signs for tourists - you know, tell him a name and he carved it in Arabic Script. A number of people were getting him to do the name of their house. This woman didn't have a name for her house so asked him to carve the number 7. Which he did. She then said no, she wanted 7 in Arabic. He tried to explain that he had carved 7 in Arabic as she got louder and angrier at how stupid he was, it was bloody simple wasn't it, she wanted 7 IN ARABIC!!!!!! The tour guide was trying unsuccessfully to calm her her down and to explain, but she was having none of it. In the end I walked over, told her, loudly, to shut the fuck up because only an uneducated peasant didn't know that they were called Arabic numerals because the Arabs invented the numbers used in England, and she was just demonstrating how thick she was. She didn't even pay the poor bloke for his work. I did.

Nope sorry that first link was my error 🙈

Why let the truth get in the way of propaganda?

No, we absolutely do not have Sharia law in the UK, we have UK law, which regardless of your religious views, applies to all

This statement is illogical.

And impossible to substantiate.

That is really quite disingenuous. I am and have always been curious about Islam which is why I know there is no single interpretation of the faith. There are different sects and attitudes to women and girls among all the other aspects of life. There is no single authority.

I'm not sure what source you're using for the expectations of Muslims living in non Islamic countries.

Diversity from equality? Diversity from the Western approach to female rights(yes far from perfect,but think fairly obvious better than many societies round the world)

Shame threads like this don't prompt a curiosity about Islam. Which is quite clear on what is expected of Muslims living in non Islamic countries.

Mosques can register to perform civil marriages but not all do. Why not do you think?
I'm not sure what effect that would have on the divorce system attached to Nikah marriages, after all how a marriage can be ended is just as important as the marriage ceremony.e.g.

"In Islam the term “divorce” constitutes many different types of ways a couple’s marriage is ended. Men can divorce their wives unilaterally by pronouncing talaq three times either consecutively or on three separate occasions depending on the Islamic school of thought by which the married couple abide. Once talaq has been pronounced, the wife enters what is known as the iddah period which lasts for three menstrual cycles (three months). If the husband and wife reconcile within the iddah period, the marriage continues. In the event that they have not reconciled within the iddah period, the marriage comes to an end. If the wife is pregnant, she will have to wait until the child is born before the iddah period commences. Although the husband is able to divorce his wife unilaterally without involving a Sharia council, the husband and/or the wife may apply to the Sharia council for an Islamic talaq certificate, which can be used as evidence that the couple are now divorced.
Unlike men, women cannot unilaterally divorce their husbands. There are three types of Sharia divorce following a wife’s petition: Khula, Faskh and Tafreeq. Below is an explanation of some of the terms associated with Islamic divorce."

It's for a community centre though so they'll pay for it not your taxes. It's not a DWP job but advertised on the DWP job site likeany other jobs.

The basis of UK law is primarily common law, developed through judicial decisions and precedents, combined with statute law, enacted by Parliament. The UK does not have a single, codified constitution; instead, its legal framework is a combination of these two sources.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

1. Common Law:

Precedent:
The principle of stare decisis (Latin for "to stand by things decided") means that courts are bound by the decisions of higher courts in the same jurisdiction.

Origin:
Common law in England and Wales originated in the reign of Henry II, when royal courts began applying uniform laws across the country, replacing local customs.

Scotland:
While Scotland also has a common law system, it's a mixed system, incorporating elements of Roman-Dutch law.

1. Statute Law:

Codification: Acts of Parliament are a key part of the UK's "unwritten constitution".

Importance: Statutes can change or create new laws and are a crucial part of the UK legal system.

1. Key Concepts:

Constitutional Principles:
Important constitutional principles, like the Magna Carta, are reflected in statutes and common law, shaping the relationship between the government and its citizens.

Separation of Powers:
While not strictly defined as in some countries, the UK has moved towards a greater separation between the judiciary and other branches of government.

Independence of the Judiciary:
Maintaining the independence of the judiciary is seen as crucial for upholding the rule of law.

NB AI compilation so may not meeting the standards of say a legal textbook.

If you are going to make up crap can you try to make it funny?

I wasn't going to post on here as it just seem (as said by PP) that there are some posters whose only purpose is to concoct some sort of out rage against Muslims.

But the issue is, obviously, that in the UK, UK law is the law.

However for people who also have a religious faith, and that faith has its own "courts" or tribunals, something that a UK court would allow, a faith based court wouldn't.

For instance Jewish women who want to remain part of their community but cant get a divorce. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/04/jewish-orthodox-women-divorce-get-refusal

I am sure the OP would like to start a thread about Jewish women being oppressed by their faith as of course their intention for this thread wasn't anything to do with being anti Muslim.

(I have to admit not knowing how many religions are practiced in the UK, and how many of them have their own systems re marriage and divorce, so there may well be other examples than the refusal of a "get".)

I doubt there is any society or group of people who have found the magic formula, but we need to be cautious about applying our "ways" as somehow being culturally superior. Because they aren't. They are just different.

I Agree @PhilippaGeorgiou its trying to merge the best of both traditions and try remove what is not working while focusing on what is beneficial.

Again that is, I assume why the ad asks for understanding of the UK legal system…
@PlanetJanette
But the devil would be in the details which is normally hidden in case law so imo an understanding is a low bar.

And legal marraige can have a wide impact for first ( even second) generation women (& men) eg citizenship for themselves and their children or access to public services.

The means of bringing a religious marriage to an end is a theological issue and not a legal one.

As pointed out Islamic marraige is seen as less that a C of E faith marraige as the C of E is recognised as legitimate by the State.

It’s not true! How could it be? And why would it be?

I'm sure I read that somewhere

I hope you mean they ensure that, when customs would break the law, people are advised to comply with the law. We can’t afford compromised that reduce women’s rights.

The means of bringing a religious marriage to an end is a theological issue and not a legal one. Also, people who advise victims of domestic abuse are also generally not required to be qualified lawyers…

Again that is, I assume why the ad asks for understanding of the UK legal system…

UK law is based on Sharia law Do you mean that?

UK law is based on Sharia law
Sharia law is generally about being a good person, nothing scary.
It has no legal basis in the UK
And no, they aren't gonna tie you up in the town square and flog you for not wearing a hijab

But it is unusual, and there is no good reason why Imam's should not, like Christian priests, be allowed to be registrants.

@AnSolas But can also understand how the personal bias and cultural background within a community can work against women as they try to exit their relationship.
That is true, as is class background a factor in the UK. But do remember that there are advantages to looking at things the way other cultures do as well - we are often arrogant in our assumption that our way is the best way or the only way. Or that our way somehow protects better. You can be a married white UK woman with three children and lose your home and never see a penny in support or maintenance. You can be an unmarried white UK woman and have exactly the same outcome. It's a bit of a lottery. A Muslim woman who has gone through the Nikah only can end up in the same place. But equally the pressure brought to bear on an irresponsible Muslim ex-husband by his own family and community can make a huge difference in her continuing support - even the "sort of Muslim" can be brought to heel by the shame he brings on his family by ignoring his religious duty. And in other instances the Muslim woman may be better off than the unmarried white UK woman - she has some law on her side, if not the law of the land.

Equally, a Muslim couple enter into a marriage expecting hard times, expecting things not to be perfect, and for love to grow over time whilst facing life together. That is a much more pragmatic approach than the "we are so in love" western idea of marriage that often lasts no longer than the pheromones.

I doubt there is any society or group of people who have found the magic formula, but we need to be cautious about applying our "ways" as somehow being culturally superior. Because they aren't. They are just different.